Game of Thrones - "A Man Without Honor" - 5/13/12

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  1. Unbeliever

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    You don't get it. You read it, but didn't understand it. The character tried 6 different ways to pay for it, but couldn't, because it forced him to pay a cable company. He was willing to pay HBO either directly, or indirectly through iTunes/Netflix/Amazon/Hulu, but couldn't, because HBO was forcing him to buy a cable subscription. He didn't want a cable subscription.

    It was a Futurama/Frye "Shut up and take my money!" situation, but through a channel the character didn't want to go through. At some point, the threshold of pain of inconvenience will be crossed that even the most straight laced person will consider pirating.

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  2. LordKronos

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    No you don't get it. Not even the slightest. If someone WANTS to buy it from itunes but can't, and WANT to pay netflix to see it but can't, and WANT to pay Hulu to see it and can't, and WANT to pay for the DVD/Bluray and can't, and WANT to pay HBO directly and can't, how can you POSSIBLY come to the conclusion that they don't want to pay for it?
     
  3. Ereth

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    But, of course, the cartoon is hopelessly out of date, because you CAN buy it from Amazon or iTunes now.

    What the cartoon is really saying is "I want to watch it RIGHT NOW, and I can't, so I'm going to go pout". Awww. HBO doesn't own you instant gratification if you aren't willing to pay for HBO.

    And if you aren't willing to pay for HBO, then you can still wait until the DVD comes out. That's your choice. The choice shouldn't be "screw HBO, I'm not going to wait, I'll just pirate it instead'. That's the choice of a spoiled brat.
     
  4. LordKronos

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    It's out of date for season 1. For season 2 it will still likely be accurate for another 10 months or so. And if it weren't for these "spoiled brats", you'd be lucky to even have your itunes songs with DRM. Media companies prove time and again they need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the current century.
     
  5. billypritchard

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    But this is the ridiculous part of the argument. Many people, including myself, would be willing to pay for HBO, we just don't want to pay extra 50 dollars to a cable/sat company for their basic package just so we can have the privelege of adding on HBO. Especially when GOT is on, I would pay $20 a month to HBOGO to subscribe.

    Right now I have Directv and pay $16 a month for HBO/MAX. But I plan on dropping the whole shebang in July, so next year I won't have that option. I assume I'll be pirating it then.
     
  6. Ereth

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    The product is not sold in stores. Get over it. You are not owed instant gratification. The idea that you should be able to buy something that is sold through exclusive channels without access to the exclusive channel is just silly.

    HBO has been payTV since it's inception. In 40 years you haven't been able to get it without being subscribed to a delivery service. You should have grokked that reality by now. It's not "ridiculous". It's reality.
     
  7. Ereth

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    Please don't pretend that Piracy changed the media companies. That's a ludicrous position. All it does is make them make MORE DRM. I agree that DRM doesn't work, but showing people pirating music didn't make the music industry stop DRM, it made them start suing grandmothers.
     
  8. billypritchard

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    As someone who grew in farm country, I certainly know about not having access to exclusive channels and delayed gratification. The difference between now and 1980 is that HBO is ignoring other revenue streams to stick with an outdated model. In 1980 there was no other option for them, they needed the cable companies to deliver their content. Now they could find multiple ways to sell their wares.

    It would be similar to HBO deciding that only Wal-Mart retails stores could carry their DVD sets. Sure, we could sell them via Amazon or Kmart, but we'll just use Wal-Mart. No Wal-Marts near some consumers? Oh well, we'll just lose those sales.
     
  9. Rob Helmerichs

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    LK's point, I believe, is that it's piracy that forced the music industry to make music widely available legally in the first place. Napster predated iTunes. As long as HBO's business model depends upon making it difficult for people to get their product, they will be the victims of greater-than-usual piracy.
     
  10. TonyTheTiger

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    Wait!

    This is a GoT thread, NOT an anti/pro piracy thread. Take it somewhere else, people, puh-lease.
     
  11. billypritchard

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    Do you think Jamie Lannister would wait to watch GOT on dvd because he can't get HBO in his cell? No! He would kill a relative, strangle a Karstark, and do whatever else is necessary to see those episodes!
     
  12. photoshopgrl

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    Hahahaha
     
  13. Steveknj

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    I should mention that I was right about the new "King of Qarth" being in on the dragon theft :)
     
  14. MikeAndrews

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    The issue is that HBO's fat revenue pipeline is from the $10 or so per month per sub they get from Joe Six Pack HBO subscription on cable/sat TV. They can't chase the fringe tiny revenue stream and risk p'ing off the base "partners." They're probably even handicapped in what they can do by the contracts with the cablecos.
     
  15. robojerk

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    Some people would rather pay the iron price. Just take what you want..
     
  16. Anubys

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    Jaime would pirate the show because he is a man without honor.

    (see what I did there? genius, I say!) :D

    I think Ereth's point is that HBO owns the product and if it doesn't want to sell it to you a certain way (even if they are stupid for doing that), you have no inalienable rights to get the show. You should suck it up and live without it unless you want to be a thief.

    argh...I got sucked into the argument!
     
  17. markb

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    It's a ridiculously outdated business model, is what it is. But it will change. I'm just not sure it will change soon.
     
  18. Ereth

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    The cost of changing is to lose the guaranteed revenue from all the cable companies in existence. That's a pretty high cost to change. I'm not convinced they can make that up in streaming, especially with bandwidth caps and net neutrality issues to deal with.

    You may not like it, but you probably are thinking in terms of serving one customer (you) not the millions they need to reach to be profitable. You put the needs of the few above the needs of the many.
     
  19. Rob Helmerichs

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    And if they can't come up with a business model that allows all the people who want their product to get their product legitimately, then they will have to live with the consequences of people getting their product illegitimately. The music industry adapted to changing times; we shall see if premium cable is able to adapt.
     
  20. Unbeliever

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