Game of Thrones - "A Man Without Honor" - 5/13/12

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yeah, what was that all about? When that masked lady was painting that person's back, she said something like this will be the last time you dishonor Kaleesi?

 

I think it was more like "Will you betray her again?"

 

He was a spy for the Spider. he told them that Dany was pregnant; which started the chain of events that led to the attempt on her life. Ned (as well as Jorah's father, Lord Mormont) also consider Jorah a man without honor for trying to sell slaves.

 

Well, he suspects that she's not a commoner. I would not go as far as saying he thinks she's Arya Stark. There are plenty of decent/good houses where she could have been born and raised.

He might also like her because she's smart. He likes smart (and she reminds him of his daughter).

I also speculated that he likes young girls. But that theory is quickly fading in my mind (thank God!).

 

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Wow, I don't remember any of this happening. I thought he was one of the few good characters. Where was I? I think I really need to learn how to turn on the sub-titles function on my TV.

 

Well, these are not things that were shown outright. We know the Spider knew of the pregnancy. We have seen Jorah dash to the city on an errand that made no sense other than to let people on King's Landing know. We also know that a pardon was sent to Jorah.

So some facts + circumstantial evidence = what I said.

 

More than that, after Jorah ran off, Arya was hiding in the dark with all the dragon skulls in (under?) King's Landing and saw Illyrio telling Varys (the Spider) that Dany was pregnant. Still circumstantial, but even more damning.

 

I disagree, Theon had Ned Stark and his House to teach him how to be a man. I think Ned is the best example of an honorable man that existed in Westeros. Theon is being torn between knowing the right thing to do and proving to his father that he, (Theon) is deserving of his father's respect. The scene where he burned the letter that he wrote to Robb warning of the attacks is the best example of that conflict that the show has presented. Theon KNOWS that what he's doing is wrong, but he also knows that this is what he has to do to get the respect of not only his father, but the Iron Islanders he hopes to rule.

 

Very well said and spot on to what I was trying to explain. It's the conflict between what he knows is right and how he knows he will be judged that is tearing him apart inside.

Photoshopgrl...when I say I feel sorry for him, there is no affection there or forgiveness for his atrocious acts. I guess I should have used the word "pity."

Again, IMO, Jeoffrey is merely the product of his family and his upbringing, which makes him more understandable and consistent and easier to hate. Whereas Theon is more of a man without a country. He's like a compass that cannot tell what direction is true north, he has no instincts that are sure and without doubt.

 

Joffrey can't help himself. He's a nutjob through and through. He has no choice in the matter.

Theon chooses to be as bad as Joffrey. And the fact that he seems to feel bad about it makes him even worse, because he chokes his conscience down and stays evil.

 

Is book 6 out?

He seems convinced that she's not lower class, so I'd expect him to insist on knowing what family she comes from. Unless he thinks she's a daughter of the house she has told him her father served. I like when she asked him how many stone masons he's talked to, "MY Lord."

You can't really blame Joffrey's cruelty on his upbringing since as Tyrion said, his brother and sister are pretty nice. It was just the flip of the coin on the incest. Tyrion's size has nothing to do with incest, tho. This is the first time there has been any in the Lannister family, I think.

I think Theon's biggest problem is the Iron Islands. It's like that family has no redeeming qualities. They're just a bunch of cold blooded jerks, and he's trying to impress them the only way anyone can.

Why is Rickon always eating walnuts? Does that mean something, or was it just put in there to show how they found them--if they found them at all.

 

Actually, there's more facts than that. At the kings council, Ned asked Varys where he got the information and he said Ser Jorah Mormont.

 

I kept thinking "Will this broad ever stfu?" during all the Jon Snow scenes. He stupid.

Tywin definitely knows something's up with Arya. I don't think he'll ever cause her harm though. That would be dishonorable.

Theon only rates five Joffreys on the I Really Hate This MF'er scale. I'm still holding out hope that he's somehow operating as a deep cover spy for Team Stark.

The jailer guy was stupid. I guess he never watched any prison movies.

 

"Watch yourself, girl." Tywin's cold reading of that line certainly reminded Arya that she is playing a dangerous game.

To me, the Iron Islands have the feel of a pirate village. The only respect you get is that which you take at the point of the sword and steal from your enemies. Balon Greyjoy is very right in that Theon is more wolf than kraken. Ned Stark taught him his own morals, not House Greyjoy's. For more than half his life, Theon was taught that killing is not a decision to be taken lightly and to respect the people around you, and that is the polar opposite of what his family believes.

Looking at it from that point of view, Theon is more of a tragic figure than a villain. He has done acts that are villainous to use, but a matter of course for his family and his people. "Iron Islanders don't do as they're ordered, then do as they will."

I'm pretty sure Rickon's walnut eating with walnuts is being used to explain how they tracked the kids down. I don't know of any symbolism that Walnuts hold either in Westoros or in our world.

 

This is why.