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Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by photoshopgrl, May 13, 2012.
That makes sense. You're probably right.
Could it be Jamie too?
I wouldn't say that. Jamie, although callus and wrong in killing his cousin, is a captive trying desperately to escape, he's in survival mode. I'll give him a bit more leeway than Theon.
He's gotta make sure to get rid of rival suitors
HA! Yes, he does!
Cat called Jamie without honor. But I agree that he's lower on my "hate em" scale than Theon, who is rapidly nearing Joffrey level there.
Not enough Tyrion and Joffrey didn't get slapped even once ... makes for a rather "mediocre" GoT
I was thinking more along the lines of being chained to a post covered in your own sh*t.
HA! This! I need way more Tyrion than we got.
What does that have to do with honor? They could have done that exact same thing to Ned Stark and it wouldn't have made him less honorable.
I could have sworn the dire wolf followed John Snow after he left the wall. Where has the dire wolf been all this time? If it was so cold, John Snow could have cut the wolf open like a tauntaun and slept inside it. Then he wouldn't need to be snuggling up next to that grinding woman.
I could have sworn there were two dire wolves that escaped Winterfell with the Stark boys and that kitchen girl and half-wit. Where were the dire wolves when they were all walking along cracking their walnuts? I would expect the wolves to kill the bloodhounds or protect their masters in some way.
Did anyone else think about this, or am I having a Vern "Stand By Me" moment, "There's something I didn't understand. Did Lard Ass have to pay to get into the contest?"
John Snow's wolf wandered off. They even made a point of him trying to call Ghost back and the others saying you can't tame a wild thing. And I certainly hope you're joking about the rest of your comments about Jon and Ghost.
The others DID leave with Summer and Shaggydog. Another reason I do not believe the kids shown burned and hanging are the Stark kids.
They were walking ahead of the group. When they first cut to the scene of Bran and them, they showed the wolves walking breifly. At first I though they were the hunting/tracking dogs until they showed everyone, then I realized they were the wolves.
Just my thoughts...
Last week was such an episode of action. Important things seemed to happen constantly and it was exciting to watch. This week was more about moving the pieces around the chess board to set up the action than there was actual action going on. While it was still fascinating to watch...Jamie escaping and the coup at Qarth were kind of minor compared to last episode.
So we have John Snow being taken prisoner, the question about if the Stark boys are really dead, and the dragons might be reunited with Dany. That's a lot left hanging. And with so many plot lines that didn't get mentioned, there is a lot to resolve in only 3 more episodes.
I agree there was not enough Tyrion for my taste. It was interesting that we get verbal confirmation of the incest from both participants this episode, not that there was any doubt. But the speculation of the incest causing mental defects was interesting. You wonder if there was ever speculation about faulty bloodlines being the cause of Tyrion's diminutive stature whispering about the halls of far flung castles.
I see people post on here that they hate Theon as much or more than they hate young King Jeoffrey. Jeoffrey is a spoiled little brat that has gotten his way his entire life because of his family's station and his mother's devotion. His run in with the boy in Winterfell in the first episode or two told you all you needed to know about his character except the depths of his cruelty. He is loathsome and deserving of hatred.
But I actually feel sorry for Theon. Here is a man who has never had anyone teach him how to act like a man. He lived with the Starks as a prisoner during his formative years. And while he must have had some attachments, he surely had deep resentments too. They could never fully embrace him, and he could never fully embrace them. He goes home to his real family, and he is a disappointment to his father and is regarded as less than his sister during an age where that is a great insult for someone who wants to be a warrior. He tries to over compensate and comes off as a boy in a man's clothes trying to make a man's decisions without the ability to understand the consequences of his actions.
Theon and Jeoffrey are both dangerous boys playing grown up games. But Jeoffrey is in a situation of his own making whereas Theon is trying to succeed so he can finally be respected, be cheered, be loved.
But I am not a professional therapist, so all of my speculation is worth what you paid to get it, which was certainly NOT the iron price. I can't wait for next week.
I thought the men without honor were both Theon and Jaime. But absolutely more Jaime than Theon.
Honor, as in dignity. Not necessarily honorable. I believe those are two separate words.
MegaHertz I get your thoughts and I see why you feel that way. I can totally get behind your point of view on both characters. I just can't make myself feel sorry for Theon. Not anymore. As soon as he actually swung the sword on Rodrik he was, as Rodrik himself said, surely lost. Now he's done this to children. No no no. He's past the point of no return and I cannot wait for Robb to deal him his fate.
Okay I gotcha. Could be either then. Let's just agree that the title is about MEN without honor and include them both along with anyone else that is deserving.
Speaking of men without honor, let's not forget what's-his-name from Qarth; the new king!
And there were discussions about Jorah's honor and trust.
If Theon caught the boys he would have had also had Hodor and Osha there.
How long were the Wildlings following Snow and the girl? They sure showed up fast.
I think Tywin knows the cupbearer is Arya Stark. Why all of the interest in her background?