Game of Thrones 8x05 "The Bells" 5/12/19

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  1. May 13, 2019 #61 of 553
    BitbyBlit

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    People didn't recognize her when she was living there, and nobody had seen her since then. So she didn't really have much to fear about that. I assume if Daenerys had not attacked, and she decided to go through with her plans, she would have been more sneaky once she had gotten close to Cersei. But there was no need to hide when in the midst of the scared populace, and it was more important to move quickly before the gates closed.
     
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  2. May 13, 2019 #62 of 553
    BitbyBlit

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    That was a good tackle by the Hound to end the Cleganebowl.

    Can we call it a sack?

    Too soon?
     
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  3. May 13, 2019 #63 of 553
    BeanMeScot

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    There are two versions of winter for Westeros. One is where it gets a little cold for a week or two here and there and then warms up again. Kind of like a Florida or Georgia version of winter. It gets cold and can snow a little but it doesn't get too cold and it doesn't stay cold too long. We have seen them go through a few of these over the course of the show. The 2nd version of winter is Winter (with a capital W). That's super cold and snowy and stays for a long time and it comes very rarely. A few in a normal person's lifetime. It's like a Minnesota version of winter but lasts longer. These are the winters that are feared. The fear is because the extended cold of true Winter allows the White Walkers to come south much farther than their normal range.
     
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  4. May 13, 2019 #64 of 553
    BitbyBlit

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    If Viserys were alive, I wonder what his strongest feeling would be right now. Envy over what Daenerys had accomplished or satisfaction that she was now getting a taste of how he felt?

     
  5. May 13, 2019 #65 of 553
    cheesesteak

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    I'm now betting the house that Dany lives. She wanted to break the wheel of royal oppression but her path has come full circle and now she's the oppressive, murderous ruler. At least that's how I would end the show after this episode.
     
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  6. May 13, 2019 #66 of 553
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    I don't get why people are surprised by Dany. It was completely in character for her to ignore the bells and burn the city down. She's always been ruthless to anyone who's opposed her. I've been trying to think of a single instance when she's shown any mercy to her enemies and I can't. Her response has always been, "Dracarys!"

    Once she decided that she would have to rule by fear, destroying King's Landing made sense. It was her Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Or in GoT terms, her Harrenhall.

    As Leonard once told Penny about Sheldon, "It will shorten the war by 5 years and save millions of lives!" :p
     
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  7. May 13, 2019 #67 of 553
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    That's exactly the issue -- it would have been completely in character to be ruthless to those who opposed her, and not to show mercy to enemies. So if she has gone straight to the keep to get at Cersei, her enemy, even to be ruthless and burn up the collateral around her, that would have fit.

    To ignore her enemies and those who opposed her to take the time to burn up innocents, that was what was jarring.
     
  8. May 13, 2019 #68 of 553
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Yeah, this wasn't punishing her enemies. This was mass murder for the hell of it.

    She could have killed Cersei. But she was having too much fun killing everybody else...who had already surrendered.

    The discussion of whether Cersei is as bad as Dany reminds me of the arguments over Idi Amin back in the day.

    "Amin isn't as bad as Hitler. Hitler killed six million Jews."

    "But Amin didn't have ACCESS to six million Jews!"

    I think given the same circumstances, Cersei would be just as bad as Dany. They're both psychopaths, driven by an overwhelming lust for power, and by love. They'll both do almost anything to get power, and they'll both do anything period when they lose what they love (even when it's their own fault).
     
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  9. May 13, 2019 #69 of 553
    Family

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    Except this was inconsistent to Dany's character developed over many seasons.
     
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    Anubys

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    In fairness to Amin, a man could only eat so much before he's full! :p

    Rumor has it that the writers had a different way for Cersei to die: She was going to be on her tippy toes on a 2-foot stool trying to get something out of her closet. She trips and falls and hits her head. Dead before the battle began. So, you see, there was an even less satisfying ending for her! :D
     
  11. May 13, 2019 #71 of 553
    Anubys

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    I think that conversation was with a guard from Jon's troops as they passed through their own lines. No need for disguise and throwing the "Stark" name was the right "do you know who I am?" moment.
     
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  12. May 13, 2019 #72 of 553
    Anubys

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    I think Varys spent his last few days writing to every Lord in the lands about Jon's true identity.
     
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    Robin

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    Agreed. It was only the last letter he burned. Many had already gone out.
     
  14. May 13, 2019 #74 of 553
    cheesesteak

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    I believe that Dany's realization that Jon, Sansa, Tyrion and Varys had betrayed her proved to her that she wouldn't be able rule seven kingdoms by diplomacy and being Ms. Nice Guy. She'd already lost the North because of betrayal and Varys had probably poisoned her claim to the throne in every land his spies could reach. To paraphrase the noted philosopher Popeye The Sailor, she took all she could stand and couldn't stand no more. So it became "Dracarys, b*tches!"

    Cercei and the Iron Bank might as well have hired Girl Scout troop 103 to defend her and Kings Landing instead of the Golden Company.
     
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  15. May 13, 2019 #75 of 553
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Except it's really not. She's always tended towards impulsive action and violence, tempered by the people around her. But those people are now either dead or pushed away, and there's nothing to restrain her negative impulses.
    I don't really care why she decided to commit mass murder on a civilian population that had already surrendered. The moment she decided to commit mass murder on a civilian population that had already surrendered, she became the bad guy.

    And when you're in a war with Cersei Lannister and you're the bad guy...wow.

    Just, wow.
     
  16. May 13, 2019 #76 of 553
    cheesesteak

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    Maybe Cercei shouldn't have asked Missandei if she had any last words to say to Dany.

    What makes no sense to me is why everybody automatically believes Jon's claim to the throne based on the story's origin - his best friend and his half brother. Especially with how thin and flimsy the Three Eyed Raven mythology has been laid out on the show. Maybe the TER is a more fleshed out, believable prophetic figure in the novels but on the show, he's just basically some weird dude in a wheelchair that only a handful of people know. Even if Sam has the document laying out Jon's claim it could easily be called a forgery.
     
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  17. May 13, 2019 #77 of 553
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    This. I think this is what made Dani finally snap.
     
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  18. May 13, 2019 #78 of 553
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    Agree with other posts above, several raven-mails were sent. We just saw the last. In every scene of him, there were several sheets of paper shown.


    Together, in the crypt/womb.

    Disagree. I think they timed it well. I know several of you think they're rushing it, but all these parts fit together. Sure they could have stretched it out, but they aren't. Each episode leads to the next.

    Not a chance on earth. They are two of the closest characters. Jon & Arya are soul brothers/sisters.
     
  19. May 13, 2019 #79 of 553
    mooseAndSquirrel

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    I was incorrectly suspecting that Jaime would tell Cersei about ringing the bells, and she would use that as a ruse to lure her enemies into an ambush.

    And then I was thinking Dany was heading directly to the Red Keep, do not pass Go.

    Maybe everyone is dead at the end.
     
  20. May 13, 2019 #80 of 553
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    "Tended towards impulsive" and what we see now are sudden and inconsistent. Dany forgave Jorah, liberated slaves, even called herself protector of the seven kingdoms. And then this?

    The strength of the show has been character development. It took many seasons for Jamie to be accepted as a good guy. This was almost flicking a switch.

    The wow is the lazy writing.
     
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