Game of Thrones 8x05 "The Bells" 5/12/19

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  1. May 13, 2019 #41 of 553
    DUSlider

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    So the last message Varys was working on before he was executed. While he lit it on fire and stuck it in the bowl, he covered the bowl before it would have burned completely... Is someone going to find it and send it off anyway?

    Is Tyrion now the last living Lannister? Unfortunately he will probably never know this because he thinks Jaime got Cersei out. Was Tyrion's request to Davos just to get the boat down there for Jaime to use?

    Dany seems to just be finishing off what her father failed to do. While I loved this episode I hate that she did what she did. I guess there was no other way to go. I'm rooting for Jon now to take her out.

    For a bit I thought HBO was going to do Arya dirty and kill her in the devastation caused by Drogon. That's no way for the person who killed the Night King to go out.

    Sooo, we all got Cleganebowl. Got a chuckle with Qyburn's death another when the Mountain took off his helmet. I guess it was appropriate that they fell to their death into a fire.
     
  2. May 13, 2019 #42 of 553
    cbrrider

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    The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword.
     
  3. May 13, 2019 #43 of 553
    PJO1966

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    I had the same question. It seemed significant somehow.
     
  4. May 13, 2019 #44 of 553
    uncdrew

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    I also like how Jaime played out. I felt his bond to Cersei was too strong to change his course and glad they wrote it that way.

    The brothers duel was satisfying. “Fraking die already!” And he has a knife through his head. Yeoouch!

    I wonder if Dany was trying to kill Jon in her endless torching. Probably not but she certainly wasn’t doing her best (or much of anything) to ensure his survival.

    Davos survives another battle. Best fighter ever. :D
     
  5. May 13, 2019 #45 of 553
    PJO1966

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    I was yelling at the screen that if she dies by falling rubble I was going to be really pissed. She really had nine lives and went though 8 1/2 of them in this episode.

    I did think it was a little out of character for her to give up on her quest to kill Cercei so easily. I would have loved for The Hound to kill Cercei as she walked passed him. "This is for Arya Stark." :D Of course Jamie and Cercei came into this world together. It's only fitting they go out together.
     
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  6. May 13, 2019 #46 of 553
    vertigo235

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    That episode, wow
     
  7. May 13, 2019 #47 of 553
    JohnB1000

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    Tyrion and Jaime was great.

    Trying to make us emotional about a brother/sister relationship was too much for me.

    The spectacle was excellent.

    But the story aspects and the events were terrible, the show was hanging on but fell off the cliff for me tonight.

    Ultimately I'm pissed that they decided to end the show to soon just because they wanted to.
     
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  8. May 13, 2019 #48 of 553
    kdmorse

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    I figured she might flip out and take the Keep down, just because it had Cersi in it. But even with all the foreshadowing, I didn't expect her to go full Targaryan Mad Queen on the population. That's gonna lead to some 'awkwardness' later.

    And exactly where do they keep the iron throne? Is there still an iron throne to claim?
     
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  9. May 13, 2019 #49 of 553
    Fahtrim

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    Writing was crap. They have ruined Tyrion's character. Arya scene drug on for no good reason. Dues Ex White Horse? wtf really?

    Why would Tyrion sell on Varys, to save Dany's life I guess? Mustache twirling Euron Killjoy happens to swim all they way from his ship uninjured and with all his gear to the exact spot where Jamie is sneaking in! Sweet...not.

    1 dragon dead from ships alone and they scared off Dany and Drogon, but then she can take out all the ships and the towers without any risk, only like 3 shots taken? No backup defenses (scorpions) at the Red Keep? Same military genius that rushes an entire Dothraki cavalry into the dark in a mad dash against unknown undead army head on.....

    This show used to be so good. Cersei and Jamie just dying under rubble after all that.....lame. Dany not heading straight for the Red Keep and taking out Cersei and Qyburn was really hollywood stupid. If you're mad and you can hit who you're mad it with impunity....then you hit them.

    What made sense to me or was decent? CleganeBowl was good. Dany going nuts was expected. Greyworm pissed was expected. Varys being right was good for sure. Special effects and impact of "horrors of war" sure that was felt.
     
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  10. May 13, 2019 #50 of 553
    smak

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    I'm hoping that Jon, Tyrion, Ser Davos et all don't just go back to Dragonstone and say, dude you shouldn't have done that.

    There's no way that they can be on her side now.

    I thought it was a pretty good episode story wise, and obviously amazing visual wise.

    I thought that the way Drogon defeated the Iron Fleet was not too terribly far fetched. Basically after a few missed shots, Drogon was at their level, and coming in from the side. The Iron Fleet should have been in a circle, but In rows, they were easy targets. And Drogon picked them off 4-5 at a time, The ships also should have had multiple scorpions.

    -smak-
     
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  11. May 13, 2019 #51 of 553
    smak

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    I thought it was fine. I think it would have cheap for them to just run into each other in the hall of a crumbling building.

    Once Jamie made it there, it was doubtful it would end any other way.

    -smak-
     
  12. May 13, 2019 #52 of 553
    smbaker

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    Now that's how you do a battle scene! This episode excelled in every way the Night King episode failed.

    I feel they spent a lot of time justifying for us how evil Dany has become so they can kill her next episode. She's worse than the mad king. The whole Arya perspective was about showing us the destruction upon the innocents. They also gave us ample reason to not shed a tear over Grey Worm's inevitable death in the next episode. It's kind of a shame, I liked Grey Worm. There's really nobody worth a damn in camp Dany to care about. I'm sure Davos is going to jump ship in the first 5 minutes of the finale.

    I'm surprised Dany didn't barbecue most of her own people. Her forces were engaged in combat all over the city and inside the red keep.

    I'm glad for Dany's sake that she figured out the secret to how to defeat Scorpions that plagued her so much last episode. Must have used an invulnerability scroll. Or cast a confusion spell on all the scorpion operators. Or had a string of really good luck rolls. Whatever it was, it worked, and it worked well. Pity nobody thought to have even one scorpion tucked out of sight in the red keep.

    Death of Jaime and Cersei was a reasonably good way for them to go out.

    Hound versus Mountain battle scene was everything one could hope it would be. Death of Qyburn, also everything one could hope it would be.

    Jon Snow really didn't do a whole lot. Next episode is going to be his turn to shine.

    I'm not sure why Arya spent an entire season learning the ways of the faceless people, only to storm a castle in broad daylight without a disguise, telling the guards exactly who she is.

    There's no way Dany survives to the end. I think Tyrion, Jon, and Arya could all make it.
     
  13. May 13, 2019 #53 of 553
    getreal

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    'Twas William Congreve who wrote within his classic poem "The Mourning Bride" in 1697:
    "Heav'n has no Rage, like Love to Hatred turn'd,
    Nor Hell a Fury, like a Woman scorn'd."


    If Jon had just kissed his aunt as he had done before, how much of this tantrum could have been avoided?

    I thought Drogon should have hyperventilated about 1/4 of his way through the city, or Dany should have pulled over to re-fuel at some point.
     
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  14. May 13, 2019 #54 of 553
    smbaker

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    This dialog exchange would have been epic,

    Dany: "What am I to you?"

    Jon: "You're my queen!"

    Dany: "Am I nothing else?"

    Jon: "My .... ummm.... Aunt?"
     
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  15. May 13, 2019 #55 of 553
    tomhorsley

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    Well, Arya did go to King's Landing to kill the queen...
     
  16. May 13, 2019 #56 of 553
    BitbyBlit

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    Looks like Bronn is going to have to kill Daenerys in order to finally get his reward. :D

    She was already upset that the general Westerosi population didn't love her and worship her like she had been used to in Essos. She came to King's Landing looking for a fight, and I think actually got angry that the citizens there took that away from her by surrendering.
     
  17. May 13, 2019 #57 of 553
    tomhorsley

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    Nah, Arya kills Dany, and Jon has to execute Arya for the crime.
     
  18. May 13, 2019 #58 of 553
    BitbyBlit

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    So I guess Cersei was telling the truth about her pregnancy. Either that or she was delusional. It still didn't look like she was showing very much, if at all, which means we have now confirmed that Drogon had a bunch of babies who have been ferrying everyone around these past 8 episodes.

    It would have been an interesting twist if Cersei's baby had followed the same path as Daenerys, being smuggled to Essos to flee being killed.

    Even with all Arya has seen, I'm not sure she would unilaterally decide to kill Daenerys. I think either Sansa convinces her to do it or, more likely, Jon tries to kill Daenerys, and fails because he can't bring himself to go through with it. Daenerys then orders Jon's execution, and that prompts Arya to kill her.

    The question is, does Drogon try torching only Arya for killing his mother or does he burn everything to the ground?
     
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  20. May 13, 2019 #60 of 553
    getbak

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    I feel like we're due one more "faceless" killing.

    When Jaime ran into Cersei, I thought that might be it (with Arya having found Jaime dying in the bowels of the Red Keep and took his face) and "he" would kill Cersei then Arya would remove the face and escape the city.

    Since that didn't happen, I'm going to guess that Dany is killed by Arya when she's wearing the face of someone close to Dany. Perhaps Greyworm, maybe Missendai, or how about Drogo (I don't know if that's possible under the rules of the Faceless Men)?
     
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