Game of Thrones 8x05 "The Bells" 5/12/19

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  1. mm2margaret

    mm2margaret Meagan

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    There's no hate train going on. It's just that these sudden character changes just didn't work for some of us. That's hardly hate....and I for one, also praised them lavishly in previous posts....it was a fantastic series, but as this thread is about this episode, there's a lot of discussion and some dissatisfaction with aspects of this episode and the character development therein....
     
  2. smak

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    I think they made a mistake in how they wanted to end it, and it's showed up with some problems this season, but they've done a great job overall, and it was actually really hard to move from a show mostly based on books, to then mostly based on new material. And to make that relatively seamless.

    Hopefully this last show is exactly how they've wanted to end it for years, because that seems like it would be a little immune to the problems they've had in this rushed season.

    -smak-
     
  3. BitbyBlit

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    Interesting. I guess this is why I didn't feel the same whiplash that others felt with Jaime's character. I never saw Jaime as having joined the "good guys" and then turned away from them. Had Cersei kept her word, I think Jaime would have gone up with the Lannister forces, and then returned back to Cersei with them. Going north was disobeying the orders of his queen, but not rejecting his lover. He fought against the Night King and his army not because he was on Jon and Daenerys' side, but because he wanted to keep his word. He started a relationship with Brienne not because he had moved on from Cersei, but because he thought going back would have been a death sentence (from all sides).

    So I didn't see his return as relapsing so much as realizing that his love for Cersei transcended his fear of what could happen to him.

    She had just lost one of her children, and wasn't thinking clearly. Plus, while we had the benefit of seeing Euron's fleet from a zoomed in camera while in the comfort of our couches, Daenerys only had a quick rage and arrow-filled flyby. Before attacking King's Landing, however, she had a lot more time to think tactically.

    That being said, I think the scene would have been much more powerful had the scorpion not been used or even shown in the Loot Train attack or the Season 8 opening credits. Then not only would Daenerys' surprise have made even more sense, but the audience would have been more caught off guard as well, not having seen the scorpion since Qyburn showed Cersei his prototype.
     
  4. TAsunder

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    I’m referencing the fan base and internet in general. We’ve been pretty civil here compared to some places. The amount of hateful things towards D&D this season is intense. I was definitely on the hate train after they said that Dany “kind of forgot about the iron fleet” to explain the last episode. But I’m better now.
     
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  5. LlamaLarry

    LlamaLarry Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Over 800,000 now; next goal is for 1,000,000.
     
  6. getbak

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    What a bunch of idiots. I only hope that, like everything else online, the vast majority of those "people" are fake.
     
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  7. Anubys

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    I don't get it. The author gave them the plot outline. I assume he also gave them any major points. Dany was going to go mad. Maybe they rushed how she got there, but she was going to get there. Jaime was going to go back to Cersei.

    Did they not kill some people as a fan service (e.g. Tormund or even Brienne)? probably. But so what?

    You can say they should've had more episodes to make those character developments mature and form instead of quick-jumping to them. But to say that this is a huge departure from what the end "should" be is silly.

    Had the Ned beheading happened post books, people would be screaming the same thing. Sensationalism for the sake of it, they would have cried. Martin would've never done that, they would've moaned.

    As soon as they saw something they didn't like in season 8, you just knew they would scream blood murder.
     
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  8. uncdrew

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    ... and that line where Jon says:

    "I'm not riding a dragon down to King's Landing because he needs to heal."

    Uh, it's a freaking dragon. Having you on its back doesn't change its healing one iota. The reason you're not riding the dragon is because they're going to kill it with an arrow launched from a moving ship that somehow ambushes a flying dragon.

    Ugh.
     
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  9. mm2margaret

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    Who is "they"? So, if someone engages in legitimate debate and criticism, and says something like "I just don't believe in that", you call that screaming bloody murder?
     
  10. mm2margaret

    mm2margaret Meagan

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    Does that include you???
     
  11. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    I think the big problem isn't necessarily what they did, it's how they got there. Everything seems more plot-driven now, rather than character-driven.
     
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  12. uncdrew

    uncdrew Annie 2.0

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    I was thinking about that, as my wife is a horse trainer and my kids ride.

    To get a horse to change directions you have to pull the reins pretty hard. To get a horse to go faster you squeeze your legs -- also pretty hard. Sometimes my kids aren't strong enough to get the horse to move.

    So we have dragons with their notoriously tough scales. To be that tough and also sensitive to touch commands? It's truly a magical beast.
     
  13. mm2margaret

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    Look, having a character go from "good" to "bad/crazy" generally takes some time, and it's very hard to do. But not impossible. Breaking Bad took what, two seasons to do that? So far, that show is the only one I can think of that really managed it, and made it believable. Star Wars tried to do it, and didn't really manage it (not in my view), and that just underscores how difficult a transition that is to make. Had they taken more time, maybe they could have pulled it off, but maybe not....
     
  14. uncdrew

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    I think Drogon enjoyed that as well.
     
  15. Anubys

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    the people who want the 8th season re-done. If they expect a different outcome, they are stupid. If they want the same outcome done a different way, they are silly.

    I actually wrote and then deleted from my post a sentence saying at least you stood by your conviction and said you would stop watching the show. I deleted it because I didn't want to steer the discussion towards "if you don't like it, stop watching"; which wasn't my point.

    My point is that this is what the author wanted. How the author wanted it to end. Maybe it was rushed and became more "fit the character to the plot because we don't have time to develop him/her any further". But to say "that's not what the author wanted" or "I want something else" is not a valid argument.
     
  16. robojerk

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    The problem it's the show writers excluded a ton of things from the books. There's more characters fighting over the throne, perhaps one of those kills Cersei, or they aid in the fight against the Night King. (Being vague to avoid spoilers) The books introduced an item that supposedly a character can steal a dragon and bind it to themselves so it's theirs, the books talk about a magical horn, that if blown will destroy the wall.

    Book fans suspect the show writers just wanted to be done, removed the characters that prolonged the end, which meant they had to change some of characters motives, and remove plots that take place in Dorn and other places. Like Tyrion goes straight up retarded in the show when the show writers changed his characters path. Varys's motives are different as well. I suspect GRRM's plan for all the major characters are different. D&D just wanted to take shortcuts, and make that Star Wars money for the House of Mouse.
     
  17. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Raconteur TCF Club

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    That's western style riding. English is all about the body. You change directions (and more) using your legs.
     
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  18. Odds Bodkins

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    I don't think it's just book fans. D&D absolutely cut corners every which way, which included turning down 10 episode seasons that HBO offered because they were over it. One only needs to look at Jaime, Tyrion and Varys as the tip of the iceberg in terms of shoehorning where D&D had to make it go in not enough time.

    Even if they just took the extra 2 hours this season, they could've made Dany's turn a little more believable with a few more scenes. Instead, they want that first bit of Star Wars money.
     
  19. uncdrew

    uncdrew Annie 2.0

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    I'd love the 8th season re-done, just to have more GOT to watch. What does that make me? :p
     
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  20. realityboy

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    A masochist.
     
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