Game of Thrones 8x04 "The Last of the Starks" 5/5/19

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  1. May 6, 2019 #141 of 495
    markp99

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    "Vomiting is not celebrating." /Jon
    "Yesss, it is." /Tormond
    :D

    Hope there is some way we can get more Tormond - he had some great lines in this episode!
     
  2. May 6, 2019 #142 of 495
    heySkippy

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    My WAG.

    Arya won't kill Cersie. She's already the hero for killing the NK and that would be too much glory. Instead, Arya attempts to kill Cersie but fails and dies in the attempt.

    Either Jamie or Tyrion or both kills Cersie and dies in the process.

    Dany goes full mad queen and Jon is forced to kill her to save something something.

    Jon returns to the north and Gendry Stone Baratheon takes the Iron Throne.
     
  3. May 6, 2019 #143 of 495
    JoeyJoJo

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    Why does everyone believe Cersei is pregnant? It’s an easy ruse to manipulate stupid men (Jamie and Euron) or hopeful (Tyrion.)

    I think Tyrion caught on finally after imploring her to think of her child.
     
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    gossamer88

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    Second blanket statement @photoshopgrl makes. The first that people were "fibbing" that they knew Arya was going to kill the Night King.
     
  5. May 6, 2019 #145 of 495
    TonyD79

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    Or we go full Romeo and Juliet and they both die. Leaving Sansa to rule.
     
  6. May 6, 2019 #146 of 495
    MacThor

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    If this was directed at me, my Gendry "prediction" was purely speculation based on him being the only Baratheon heir. I don't read leaks/spoilers.

    I actually thought it was a little bit of fan service when Dany asked "Does anyone know who the current Lord of the Stormlands is?"
     
  7. May 6, 2019 #147 of 495
    uncdrew

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    I still think of Sansa as a weak character, full of self-doubt and not wanting to lead.

    I get that she's less of those things now than she was, but I sure don't see her as a good ruler of anything outside of The North, where she'll have loyalty just based on Ned and others.
     
  8. May 6, 2019 #148 of 495
    ADG

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    You do realize this is just a tv show, right -- that they're not really killing dragons and it's just CGI? I have it on excellent authority that the two dragons that were supposedly killed are alive and well, living out the rest of their lives at a dragon farm in upstate New York.
     
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    TonyD79

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    This bothers me. Just how long is a pregnancy in Westeros? Seems like forever since she was with Jamie.
     
  10. May 6, 2019 #150 of 495
    jasrub

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    From my point of view, she really doesn't have friends or family.. Only people who get her what she wants. She's gathered up these armies and people, who she views, can get her the throne she believes she deserves. Why appoint advisers who you totally ignore if their advise goes against what you want? How many people told her to wait a while and let what little remaining forces she has to heal before she attacks again? She wants 'yes men', and if you don't agree with what she wants, she totally ignores you, to her own detriment.
     
  11. May 6, 2019 #151 of 495
    TonyD79

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    And yet she has been the most level headed of any of the leaders recently despite her selling out Jon’s secret to her ex(?)-husband.

    In some ways, this show has been about her growth.
     
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    uncdrew

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    What you might see as level-headed, I see as wimpy, selfish, suspicious and purposefully contrarian. And a little catty. Perhaps it's both.
     
  13. May 6, 2019 #153 of 495
    TAsunder

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    Hasn't been that long if Jaime was traveling at a good clip. The tricky part is that there's only a limited amount of time before she'd be showing so that would seem to narrow the time frame a bit. Maybe her and Euron prefer it super dark... like cinematographer dark.
     
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  14. May 6, 2019 #154 of 495
    DavidTigerFan

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    Seen on Reddit and I agree with:

     
  15. May 6, 2019 #155 of 495
    Rob Helmerichs

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    With realistic travel times, it's been at least a year, probably a couple now (remember that Jaime's trip to and from Highgarden were with an army, which can only travel at a human walking pace).

    But since the show has moved beyond the books (Martin cares about this kind of thing), they've gotten very...24 on travel times.
     
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  16. May 6, 2019 #156 of 495
    robojerk

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    I just wish the show has done something to show why Sansa is so brazen to Dany. I guess the only thing that makes sense is that she's the new Littlefinger and is reaping chaos to climb her station higher.
    Like I get Sansa being pissed at Jon throwing away his title of "King of the North" because it insults the people of the north that gave it to him and I could see Sansa more mad at Jon for doing that, but focusing her hate with laser precision at Dany makes little sense little sense considering how Dany was right when she said Jon convinced her to put off her plans to take the throne for his war against the Night King. Also Arya was right that the north needed Dany's army and dragons to fight with them so he did the right thing at the right time but following Dany. But fighting for the life of all man kind is one thing, fighting for a fancy throne thousands of miles away is another.

    I don't know. Writing seems so sloppy and rushed.
    Like Sams dad and brother, Dany offered to spare their lives and keep their titles if they pledged to her.. She made them a deal they couldn't and shouldn't have refused but they did anyway so when Sam hears how she killed them he runs to Jon about how shes dangerous and we're all supposed to start turning against Dany. It feels so heavy handed and nothing like the first 5 seasons of this show.
     
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    TAsunder

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    That's assuming we believe it's his baby and was conceived before he left for the battle there. In theory if she became pregnant shortly before telling Jaime then it's only been since he went to Winterfell no?
     
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    uncdrew

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    I think she's using Ye Olde Royal Pillow.
     
  19. May 6, 2019 #159 of 495
    Rob Helmerichs

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    No, she told him upon his return from Highgarden.

    At that point, with realistic travel times, she should already have been showing.
     
  20. May 6, 2019 #160 of 495
    tivotvaddict

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    All this talk of Jon being a better ruler than Dany isn't rooted in facts.

    - The fact is he failed miserably at convincing Mance Rayder and the Free Folk to follow him (saving grace: Stannis).
    - The fact is he failed miserably at convincing his people to follow his leadership as Lord Commander of the Night Watch (saving grace: Melisandre).
    - The fact is he failed miserably at the Battle of the Bastards (saving grace: Sansa/Littlefinger).
    - The fact is he failed miserably in the Battle of Winterfell (saving grace: Arya)
     
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