Game of Thrones 8/27/17 "The Dragon and the Wolf"

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  1. Sep 4, 2017 #441 of 469
    Anubys

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    Why? Why does everything have to be so complicated?

    They have always hated each other (or, at least, Sandor has always hated his big brother). Sandor is telling his big brother that he hates him and that he will finally pay him back. Why can't it be that simple?

    Sandor was shocked when he saw the stuff about the wall in the flames. If it wasn't his first time seeing things in the fire, they gave zero indication of it.
     
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    BitbyBlit

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    That scene was the only one we as viewers saw, but it's possible Petyr had similar conversations with others. Or maybe he just thought about it a lot, and that thought stood out when he first entered the room with Bran, causing him to pick up on the phrase.

    I don't know if Bran can read people's thoughts, but being able to warg into people does involve some kind of telepathy.

    "Wolves will not erase us! Wolves will not erase us!"

    He can't freely view events in the future like he can in the past or present. But we know Jojen had visions of the future. And the previous Three-Eyed Raven knew that Bran was meant to replace him. Plus, Ned heard Bran call out to him and Hodor was directly affected by Bran. Without knowing it, they had glimpses into the future.

    So I think Bran does have some perception of the future, but it's a lot more vague.

    This seems like a job for Dayman:



    They might have been legend in the sense that only stories of them remained. But nobody (at least nobody educated) thought the stories weren't real.

    For example, when Tywin and Arya were at Harrenhal discussing how Aegon (the Conqueror) was able to defeat a supposedly impenetrable fortress with his dragons, they were discussing it as history, not as fable. Arya even brought up Aegon's sisters who were riding the other two dragons when Tywin didn't mention them.
     
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    wprager

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    So ... just a few more months, eh?
     
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    photoshopgrl

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    I have to say I'm honestly shocked at how many people are actively "shipping" Jon and Dany. Some of them are even really defensive about it. I get that they are both popular characters and pretty people but I N C E S T. I can't get on board with that.
     
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    Rob Helmerichs

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    Although by Targaryen standards, they're barely related.. :D
     
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    JoeyJoJo

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    He's been afraid of fire his whole life. He probably hasn't spent time looking into fires until now.
     
  7. Sep 4, 2017 #447 of 469
    Rob Helmerichs

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    What's stranger is the notion that because Sandor saw something in the flames on that one very specific occasion (he was literally having a religious experience), Gregor also saw something in the flames decades earlier...
     
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    Anubys

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    Never heard that term before (shipping a couple)...

    but note that cousins marrying is not considered incest in many (most?) cultures...incest is limited to siblings (and parents, of course!).
     
  9. Sep 4, 2017 #449 of 469
    photoshopgrl

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    But they aren't cousins. She's his aunt. Her brother is his father.
     
  10. Sep 4, 2017 #450 of 469
    Jonathan_S

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    Right. Dany's kids (if any) would be Jon Snow's cousins. And (assuming a non-related father) they'd have half the Targarian DNA than Dany does. Aunt is significantly closer genetically than cousin.

    Wikipedia's article on Coefficient of relationship agrees. Its table ranks Aunt/nephew at 25% while cousin/cousin is 12.5%. (And Cercei and Jamie, as full siblings would hit 50%)
     
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    BitbyBlit

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    After watching last night's episode, I now know why. Absolutely nothing happened in it to move the story forward. I won't post any spoilers here, but to those who haven't watched it, you might as well skip it. In fact, I think HBO was hoping that most people would. It was so bad that I am going to boycott episodes 9 and 10. There weren't any time consistency issues, however, so it at least had that going for it.

    Back to this episode, I came across an entertaining Game of Thrones web comic. You can read the whole set starting here, but my favorite is the one for this episode.
     
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    zordude

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    Yeah like... 22
     
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    allan

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    MacThor

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    Plus, Dany's parents (Jon's grandparents) were brother & sister. They're pretty well inbred at this point.

    It seems incest isn't quite as frowned upon in this world.
     
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    MacThor

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    Why do you say that? The Targaryens conquered the Seven Kingdoms, not just the Crownlands. All of the great houses date back to the days of dragons, and the maesters throughout the realm surely spoke of them as history, not legend.
     
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    BeanMeScot

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    White Walkers are also history. But they are treated as legend.
     
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    heySkippy

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    Dragons were history. White walkers were folklore.
     
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    Known history. Harenhall was courtesy of the dragons. The submission of the Vale and the North also due to dragons.
     
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    BeanMeScot

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    There was a scene in the first season between Ned and Robert where Robert was showing Ned around and showing him the dragon skulls and even Ned was saying that he wasn't quite sure he believed they existed prior to seeing those skulls. And Ned would have been far more educated than the average citizen of Westeros.
     
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    photoshopgrl

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    I wouldn't say that.
    "Is she the one with the dragons or the one that f*#ks her brother".
     

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