Game of Thrones 8/27/17 "The Dragon and the Wolf"

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  1. photoshopgrl

    photoshopgrl Nerd Fashionista TCF Club

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    I think she just wanted to make sure he wasn't taking the "small" comment personally in a general sense. I still just don't see him being in love but I am really curious what the deal was on the boat at the end with him.
     
  2. Anubys

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    It's a male thing...you wouldn't understand how a guy would love a girl who is completely oblivious to him as anything but a friend :D

    what's YOUR excuse? :p

    Tyrion was clearly exhibiting the same emotions that we've seen from Jorah throughout the years, especially as a rival for Dany's affection surfaced. Jorah with the Second Sons' guy (forget his name) and then with Jon...and Tyrion's increasing distress over Dany's infatuation with Jon...his comments by the fire as Dany fretted over Jon being a stupid male hero and putting himself in danger were a clear indication of how he felt (at least, that is how I saw them). Finally, he and Jorah's reaction as Dany announced that she will sail with Jon...

    Tyrion wasn't just worried about someone having Dany's ear. He acted like a guy who "knew" she would never consider him that way but then is crushed when he actually sees that he is correct (the death of a cynic and a realist's hope; hope that he knew was stupid).
     
  3. MacThor

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    Sorry - Joffrey's murder at his wedding reception.
     
  4. MacThor

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    Tyrion's the Hand of the Queen, and he didn't say a word at that meeting about the journey North. All of the advice came from Jorah and Jon (er, Aegon) - two of the four men Tyrion listed as having fallen in love with her.
     
  5. photoshopgrl

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    Well maybe I haven't seen it from a male perspective but I have had it happen to me several times over my life so I like to think I could spot it happening at this point, especially as a third party observer. Maybe not but for now, we'll have to agree to disagree on this. :p

    (PS I don't see him and Jorah acting at all similar. Jorah I knew immediately he was in love way before the show gave us solid clues)
     
  6. Anubys

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    I think it was as much of a surprise to Tyrion as it was to us as viewers. But I also think they laid the clues that I mentioned carefully.

    Tyrion reacted with some hostility and was defensive at every mention of Jon and every furtive glance or nod between them. He saw what was happening and didn't like it, but didn't know why he didn't like it. Then when he saw him at her door and going in, it hit him like an 18-wheeler.
     
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  7. TonyD79

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    Meanwhile, she lost any help from Cersei she would've gotten. If Cersei double crossed her on the fight in the north, then Jon's pledge to sit out becomes null and void. Dany has two dragons, the Unsullied and the Dothraki. Jon's army isn't going to tilt the fray. Cripes, all Dany has to do is take out Cersei and the war is over.

    Dany really is not much of a strategist, is she?
     
  8. TonyD79

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    Is it sloppy writing if Bran just got the rules wrong? Come on. This is nitpicking at its worst. Maybe Samwell should have corrected his bastard naming understanding first THEN told him he wasn't a bastard.

    Why would anyone assume that every character is infallible and never just makes a mistake?

    Do you really think that your lines are better or less sloppy?
     
  9. TonyD79

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    You may be right but it is equally possible at this point that he was concerned about how such a bedroom alliance would affect the political alliances.

    I have seen nothing that says Tyrion is in love with Dany yet we have seen it with others consistently. The "sudden realization" theory would not be in character with Tyrion who is always analyzing his and others motives. It would be a twist that does not fit the story.
     
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  10. Rob Helmerichs

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    I think Anubys is right. It IS a male thing.

    Assuming that any relationship between a man and a woman must be romantic and/or sexual, that is. :D
     
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  11. Jonathan_S

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    Or the slightly snappier version: "He's not my father's bastard, he's my aunt's". But yes, that would have avoided the "Sands" and still laid up the "no, they were secretly married" revelation.
     
  12. uncdrew

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    They need to have the Gendry Triathalon:

    1. Row boating
    2. Distance snow running
    3. Hammer toss
     
  13. Jonathan_S

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    I'm not sure why this was the post that triggered this thought, but I hope we get a scene next season where Tyrion and Sansa end up in the same room. That could be an interesting conversation. Are they technically still married?
     
  14. cheesesteak

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    Team DanJon knows something Team Cersei doesn't know. Kill a White Walker and everybody he turned "dies". If they could somehow evacuate strategic parts of the North and funnel the walking dead army towards Kings Landing and let them have their way with Team Cercei, killing some White Walkers afterwards would greatly reduce the number of Team Cersei wights they'd gained. Jon and Sam seem to go through White Walkers like a knife through butter. Probably not the greatest plan in the world but it would be revenge for Cersei double crossing them. (I know she only crossed them but double cross sounds more treacherous.) As to what happens next, that's why I'm not a general.
     
  15. uncdrew

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    If the White Walkers are coming South, diverting them to your enemy is smarter than just sitting there and letting them kill you first.
     
  16. TampaThunder

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    Yeah, there was a movie about this very thing a while ago - When Jon Met Dany.

    There was discussion about this prior to the Bolton wedding that the marriage hadn't been consummated so was null and void. And Tyrion and Jon talked about the lack of a consummation as they were walking up the stairs at Dragonstone.
     
  17. uncdrew

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    Does she want a mate? She seems to fly solo. If she wanted a partner, would it be a man or woman? Do we know much about her preferences?
     
  18. uncdrew

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    Damn you Hot Pie!!!!
     
  19. TriBruin

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    I am not buying the "Tyrion is in love with Dany" argument. IMHO, there has been nothing on the show that hints to that. (Glances and eye looks can be taken multiple ways.) My interpretation of that scene falls under two scenarios:

    1) Tyrion has realized that he is being replaced as Dany's main consul and is not happy about. He probably also doesn't believe Jon would be a great "Right-Hand man" to Dany.
    2) Tyrion made a deal with Cersei and knows that he has betrayed the one person in his life who has treated him with respect and honor.

    Personally, I am going with option 2. The cut from Tyrion and Cersei negotiating in private to them returning to the Dragon Pit was too abrupt. There is a 2nd half to that scene we were not privy too.
     
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  20. Rob Helmerichs

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    Killing them is better still. And gives you seven kingdoms to rule after it's all over, as opposed to seven former kingdoms filled with corpses.
     

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