Game of Thrones 8/27/17 "The Dragon and the Wolf"

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  1. cbrrider

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    No worries. Gendry to save the day.
     
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  2. tomhorsley

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    My stupid writing moment came at the meeting between everyone. Jon says Dany is his queen and he can't pledge to stay in the north. Everyone sighs and thinks "I wish you hadn't said that". OK Dany, if you wish he hadn't said that, why didn't you say: As your queen I am ordering you to stay in the north. Problem solved, episode could be 45 minutes long instead of 90 :).
     
  3. Rob Helmerichs

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    She doesn't want him to stay in the North; she wants him to SAY he's going to stay in the North but really come fight for her. If she ordered him to stay in the North,k he'd stay in the North, and she'd lose her biggest ally.

    I'm not sure why everybody's so down on Jon for this. It's like being down on a puppy for being cute, or being down on sunshine for being warm. Jon's gonna be Jon; what else does anybody expect?!? ;)
     
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  4. LordKronos

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    Smart humans? As in Cersei-empowering-the-faith-miliatant-to-hurt-her-enemies level of smart? Kings landing has 1 million residents...more than the entire north. Only a handful of them (10s of thousands) are equipped to put up a fight. The end result of that would be a HUGE increase in the size of the dead army. So how smart is that exactly?



    Yes, as I said before, the WW have no real idea whats south of the wall. They haven't been down there in thousands of years, so they most likely have no idea what is where. They'll probably just wander. If they happen to bump into some roads, perhaps they might just start following them (or perhaps not...since they probably don't know what a road is either).



    I'll have to go back and check, but I could swear the meeting was setup before they even came up with the idea of providing proof.


    Yes they are. The directors have even talked about having to choose whether or not to include them because of budget. Ex: Here's why we didn't see Jon Snow's direwolf, Ghost, during 'Battle of the Bastards'
     
  5. LordKronos

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    Well, she can just later order him to ignore that previous order and return to join the battle. Even if he was like "but I gave my word to Cersei" she could just be like "ok, but if I win I'm gonna be pissed, and if she wins...I'm sure you can trust her to leave YOU alone, right?"
     
  6. thefisch

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    They did demonstrate some strategy when they came for Bran after they located him while he was watching them. They could have just kept marching but they wanted to stop him. And they also had ice spears with them to take down a dragon - first time we've seen one of those spears I think. And dragons had first come to Westeros about 300 years ago, well after the last WW were seen. So unless they carry spears just in case there are large flying objects or giants, it seems they could be following some kind of strategy or plan. Unfortunately, they don't talk much.
     
  7. BeanMeScot

    BeanMeScot Sci-Fi Junkie

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    I figure the spears were to "convert" any large, living animals like polar bears, dragons, giants, etc.
     
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  8. LordKronos

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    But it was Bran that came to them, and they only knew where he was because they marked him...the magic equivalent of a GPS homing beacon.


    No, this was discussed before. They were basically the same weapon we saw them use at Hardhome. I even posted some pics in last weeks thread. The javelin variant is probably used by the more important WW's who stay in the back of the battle, and I think someone suggested they probably used javelin's to take out the giants, too.
     
  9. Anubys

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    I think it was more like

    - we need a truce so we can go fight the NK
    - Cersei will never believe us. She will think it's a ruse so we can regroup
    - we will have to find a way to prove to her that we're not lying...


    On a rewatch now...

    The hound is almost as tall as the Mountain, and I believe the mountain is standing on a step. They should've done a better job of making him hover over his little brother.

    As someone noted, they absolutely went to great lengths to make sure Bronn and Cersei were never on the set together!

    Absolutely love the almost double-take of "wh wh wh what?...what did you just say?" look on LittleFinger's face

    We all know that Tyrion is in love with Dany. But are they trying to show us the beginning of him betraying her because he's love-sick?

    For once, Jon knew something...It took him forever to figure out why Igrit took him to the hot springs cave but he didn't miss a beat once Dany said she'll ride the boat with him. And the love-making was just that: love-making with passionate kissing. This wasn't fraking, this was the beginning of deep and emotional love; which will pave the way for the Heir and the Queen to find a middle ground.

    Also as someone else already noted, loved the absolute reverie of Qryburn as he watched the wight and him simply dying to play with it and discover what is was. I'm surprised he let them kill it.

    Yep. It absolutely looked like Cersei asked the Mountain to kill Jaime. Why he didn't take Bronn with him as he left is a mystery to me. But maybe the small conversation between Tyrion and Bronn about paying him double was a setup for Bronn's eventual defection (or working as a spy for him)
     
  10. cherry ghost

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    But after Hardhome didn't they travel far North to go after Bran?

    Maybe I'm mixing books and show, but Eastwatch was one of the only castles still manned.
     
  11. thefisch

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    Yes, I agree but then they appeared at the cave after they marked him. Hence the suggestion of strategy. Unless they don't mind detours - no human left behind.

    Looks like I missed out on some good discussion last week about what the WW army is up to.
     
  12. brianp6621

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    I didn't find that unusual at all. They had setup the attraction/tension pretty obviously over the episodes this season. In fact it was entirely expected. And Jon had just demonstrated his honor and commitment to her.
     
  13. TonyD79

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    Cersei already said she wouldn't trust Dany's word. What Dany could have done was release Jon from his oath and then Jon could swear.
     
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  14. TonyD79

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    The conversion didn't happen until the night king reanimated him.
     
  15. tlc

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    So, Brienne and Tormund or Brienne and Jaime?
     
  16. getbak

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    They've set it up better than a lot of movies and tv shows do. They've also been setting it up all season.

    A few episodes ago, we had Jon tell Davos that he thinks she has a good heart and Davos replied that he's noticed Jon admiring her "heart". Then, I don't remember who it was (Missandei/Tyrion?) said something similar to Dany about Jon.

    We also saw Drogon accept Jon's touch a couple of episodes ago, which was unprecedented. Then, they had their hand-holding scene last week and him "bending the knee" (figuratively, at least, since he was lying in bed at the time).

    When he said, "I can't serve two queens", it might not have been politically smart, but it definitely made her heart go pitter-pat.

    Both last week and this week, she made it clear to him that she couldn't have any children. In a world where so much importance is placed on family legacy, that's basically her saying that them getting together would mean he'd have no kids to grow up to become the next King of the North. His response basically was, I'm willing to try if you are.
     
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  17. getbak

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    Brienne and the Hound.
     
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  18. wprager

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    Classic love triangle.
     
  19. Rob Helmerichs

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    But again, Dany didn't want Jon to sit out the war. She wanted Jon to lie about whether he would sit out the war. If he swore he would sit out the war, then she knows he would...sit out the war.
    Tormund and Jaime?
     

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