Game of Thrones 8/13/17 "Eastwatch"

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  1. Aug 14, 2017 #61 of 287
    tlc

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    Arya's disguise skills require a face to use. There was no indication that she took any from the training house. (Was that called the Black & White house or something?)

    Which brings up the Frey revenge. Where did she get that face that Frey did not recognize? He'd have known someone as pretty as that if she lived there.
     
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    JFriday

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    As good as last weeks episode was I was disappointed by this episode. I was distracted by the fact they just let Jaime swim away. So the leader of the opposing army is about to attack Dany and he gets knocked into the water by one of his men. So what do they do after that? Just watch him swim away? Assume he drowned? Does he swim underwater that whole way to the other side with armor and a gold hand? Why not have the dragon boil that water and make sure he's dead?
     
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  3. Aug 14, 2017 #63 of 287
    BitbyBlit

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    Yeah. It would be one thing if Gilly knew its importance, and Sam ignored her. But Gilly didn't care about the details; she was just excited to be discovering all this information because of her newly-learned ability to read.

    Another thing to keep in mind is that while we got to jump straight to the significant part with our inside knowledge of the importance of that information, Sam and Gilly had been reading through those books for hours a day over the course of many days. So Gilly had likely shared all kinds of fun facts with Sam. This was, to Sam, seemingly one more useless fact in the long list of facts about which he and Gilly had been reading.

    On top of that, I think Sam is around the same age as Jon, so he would have been an infant during the time of Robert's Rebellion, if he had even been born. Thus, Rhaegar would have been nothing more than a historical figure to him.

    And Sam is not focused on politics right now, but on finding out how to stop the White Walkers. Even if he did know the full truth, I doubt he would care about it if it didn't involve Jon (or, I guess, maybe himself :D).
     
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  4. Aug 14, 2017 #64 of 287
    Rob Helmerichs

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    He didn't swim away, he was carried across the river underwater by Brom, and then dragged out.

    Which is just SO much better! :D
     
  5. Aug 14, 2017 #65 of 287
    BitbyBlit

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    That's how I saw it too. I think it was platonic affection she was showing, not romantic. Jon's actions, including his willingness to risk his life on this latest mission, have shown her that he is more concerned for the protection of the realm than gaining power.

    And Jon, I think, recognized that she was genuinely concerned for his safety, even though, as he pointed out, it would mean the end of the King in the North if he were to fail.

    So I saw the scene as simply demonstrating the increasing trust and friendship between Jon and Daenerys.
     
  6. Aug 14, 2017 #66 of 287
    gweempose

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    They might as well be called White Crawlers at the pace they're moving. :)
     
  7. Aug 14, 2017 #67 of 287
    DevdogAZ

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    Littlefinger isn't trying to protect Sansa. He's trying to drive a wedge between Sansa and Arya.
    As Rob said, she was trying to intimidate and show dominance, but then Jon flipped it on her by not being afraid, by actually touching Drogon, and by Drogon seeming to like it.
    Jaime's plot armor is more powerful than any reason you can devise as to why he should have died in that battle. No reason to continue dwelling on it. Jaime needs to live to fulfill his role in the story. So while it may be stupid that none of Dany's men tried to find him, and that he seemingly floated a mile or more down river while underwater, it doesn't matter.
     
  8. Aug 14, 2017 #68 of 287
    LordKronos

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    I don't know, she's been getting pretty obsessed with her rule lately, so who knows. I'm even reminded of the parallels to the Dance of Dragons...the Targaryen civil war between brother and sister for their father's throne. The daughter has long been thought to be the true heir but the father remaried and had another male heir. The new male was considered rightful by many and given the throne, thought others supported the daughter. The daughter, based out of dragonstone, started a war with her brother for the throne.

    Not perfectly parallel, but definitely some similarities.



    Again, the Blackwater Rush is supposed to be a very fast river, which means it could have carried them far quickly (though from what we saw, it didn't appear so fast moving, and even if it were, thats still a long way to be carried on a single breath.
     
  9. Aug 14, 2017 #69 of 287
    Robin

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    I figure Gilly took the book she was in the middle of.

    And then if you get desperate enough you pick a girl.

    "You could have killed me!"
     
  10. Aug 14, 2017 #70 of 287
    DevdogAZ

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    Question about Jon and Dany's very convoluted plan to capture a Wight and bring it to King's Landing to prove to Cersei that everyone needs to focus their efforts on defending the realm from the White Walkers: Do the wights have to be in some kind of proximity to a WW in order to be animated? Like if Jon & Co. capture one and then take it several miles away from the rest of the WW army, is it suddenly going to go back to being dead since it's not close enough to a WW's magic?
     
  11. Aug 14, 2017 #71 of 287
    Anubys

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    That's not a fair comparison. Sam was saying very important things that they simply didn't believe.

    Gilly - up to that point - was telling him about how many steps are in one building, how many windows in another, and how many craps the guy took...
     
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  12. Aug 14, 2017 #72 of 287
    Rob Helmerichs

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    But it's still ironic.
     
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    LordKronos

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    I don't think we know. We still don't exactly have a great explanation for why the season 1 wight was able to make it into castle black despite the wall having a magic spell to keep them out. It could be that the spell only stops the white walkers from coming through, but not the wights. Or maybe the dead body didn't become a wight until some white walker hiding in the trees just outside the wall raised him. Or it could be that he was a wight but, due to distance limitations, had been inactivated until a white walker got close enough (and maybe the spell only prevents them from coming through on their own but doesn't prevent the nights watch from carrying them through).
     
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    mooseAndSquirrel

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    Like a black raven in your Dornish wine
     
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    Anubys

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    I don't know if that's goal as much as the tool. I don't think his goal has changed: he wants Sansa to be the Queen of the North. He can marry Sansa. He can't marry Jon.
     
  16. Aug 14, 2017 #76 of 287
    DevdogAZ

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    Right. But he has seen that Arya can be very dangerous and has clearly learned a lot since her days in King's Landing. So he's afraid that if Sansa starts bonding with Arya, it will jeopardize his role as Sansa's primary confidant. Thus, keeping them at odds with each other is how he maintains his relationship with Sansa.
     
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    JoeyJoJo

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    Lord Commander Mormont sent Alliser Thorne to Kings landing with the still animated hand of one of the wights. By the time he got there though, it had rotted. It was still moving until it rotted.

    My guess about the dead is that they need freezing temperatures to keep from decomposing, which is why they have waited until winter.
     
  18. Aug 14, 2017 #78 of 287
    MacThor

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    Rhaegar "kidnapping" Lyanna Stark is what precipitated Robert's Rebellion. This is a BFD, especially to a maester-wannabe like Sam.
     
  19. Aug 14, 2017 #79 of 287
    Philosofy

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    Here's a dumb theory: Jamie didn't drown because Bronn is a disciple of the drowned god.
     
  20. Aug 14, 2017 #80 of 287
    Rob Helmerichs

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    And of course what's important isn't that he realize the significance of the information, but just that he HAVE the information when it becomes relevant.

    As it stands now, Gilly's gonna have all the Maesterly glory! :D
     

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