Game of Thrones 5/4/2014 "First of His Name". (Spoilers, duh)

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  1. May 5, 2014 #21 of 116
    tiassa

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    Wow! Lots of info in that episode.
    Littlefinger and the Arryns --creepy.
    No more gold in Casterly Rock. Does the Iron Bank of Bravos know this?
    I can't believe that telling Robin Sansa's real identity is going to work out well.
    Brianne is heading to Castle Black to find Sansa? I know the Eyrie is substantial detour, but wouldn't checking there make some sense?
     
  2. May 5, 2014 #22 of 116
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Probably Valyrian steel makes it easier...
    Or at the very least, slip into camp instead of charging en masse screaming like banshees...with everybody all drunk and rapey, you could probably slit a lot of throats before the alarm went up.
     
  3. May 5, 2014 #23 of 116
    tiassa

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    One of Jon's lieutenants said "New Moon Tonight", which means they would have the cover of darkness, also they will probably catch at least some of the mutineers "with their pants down" (literally!)
     
  4. May 5, 2014 #24 of 116
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    Moderately sure. You're forgetting a scene during Jon's funeral (when he also had those creepy eyes made of stone over his eyes) where Jaime and Cersei were standing in the wings out of earshot and discussed how it was unfortunate that they had to kill him but that it was necessary to cover up their secret.

    Moderately sure because there is the possibility that this was how the conversation was interpreted at the time. But I recall them being very straightforward about it.
     
  5. May 5, 2014 #25 of 116
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    It was a terrible ambush. They lost 5 or 6 from their side when they ambushed 11 drunk men!

    You know nothing about sneak attacks, Jon Snow.
     
  6. May 5, 2014 #26 of 116
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    I think Littlefingers talk about getting to the gate is well known and probably why Brianne does not want to mess with that unless she has to. Especially someone sent by Jamie Lannister. Check Castle Black first is a good plan.
     
  7. May 5, 2014 #27 of 116
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    Here's EW's review of episode 1, season 1 about the scene between Jaime and Cersei

    So I really do think that they ran to LF for help and LF used Lysa as his assassin.
     
  8. May 5, 2014 #28 of 116
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    There was also a conversation way back in Season One between Varys and Illyrio in the depths of the Red Keep that Arya overheard while hiding in the skull of a dragon that went something along the lines of "One hand had to die already, do we have to kill another?" (I don't remember exactly).
     
  9. May 5, 2014 #29 of 116
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    Well Bramdor killed one of them, so you could reduce the bad guy count by one ;)

    PS: and yes I am now refering to Hodor under Bram's control as Bramdor,lol
     
  10. May 5, 2014 #30 of 116
    DevdogAZ

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    I think the only reason Bran can warg into Hodor's mind is because Hodor is a simpleton, and his mind isn't much more advanced than the animals that wargs traditionally use. I don't think it would work for Bran to try and warg into the mind of a human of average intelligence.

    Except that from a geographical standpoint, that's like going from New York to LA and not making the slight detour to check something in Detroit. Brienne doesn't need to try and attack the Eyrie. She just needs to approach the gates and ask to be admitted. They may say no, but that's better than going 1,000 in the wrong direction and back without at least checking first.
     
  11. May 5, 2014 #31 of 116
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    Actually, re-watching that scene makes me more certain that this was all Petyr.

    This is how that conversation went:

    They seemed mortified about the possibility of anyone finding out their secret. I don't think they would have abided anyone else knowing about them, including Petyr.

    In fact, now I'm not even certain about who targeted Bran. Petyr might have been the one who stole his own old dagger from Tyrion knowing that not only would Tyrion be implicated, but that he would have a plausible reason for pointing them in Tyrion's direction.

    Jaime and Cersei might have both simply hoped that Bran would end up dying, and not wanted to risk doing anything that might lead back to them. But Petyr, wanting a rift between the Starks and Lannisters, might have been worried about just that happening. He needed something that would point to the Lannisters if Bran couldn't, and thus set up the attack.

    It certainly makes more sense now why Tyrion's dagger was used. I always thought it was strange that Jamie or Cersei would have used Tyrion's dagger. As much as Cersei might have hated Tyrion, using his dagger tied Bran's injuries too closely to their family for what I thought would have been her comfort.
     
  12. May 5, 2014 #32 of 116
    Rob Helmerichs

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    More like Philadelphia. Yeah, if the Eyrie is even a slight possibility it would be insane not to check it out on the way.
     
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    Oh, I totally agree with you. But wouldn't you try it to find out (if you were Bran)?

    I know I would!
     
  14. May 5, 2014 #34 of 116
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    Shouldnt it be Brandor?
     
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    Marrying her makes him a noble, right? If that sticks to him when she dies, then he doesn't need her. Also he'll want an heir and she's to old to provide one. Lysa and her son go flying.

    Podrick had a special skill that surprised Tyrion. I wonder if that will someday surprise Brienne? :D

    I doubt if either one is fooling the other. No way Cersei believed M saying that marrying Tommen hadn't occurred to her!

    Cersei was too nice all episode. Nice with Margaery. Nice discussing her upcoming marriage with her father. Either something's brewing or the loss of Joffrey (and the Jaime thing) broke her.


    It was a nice surprise visual, but the angle was bad. The victim was looking down and Jon had to reach high just to pull his sword out while the body was collapsing. He would've had to jump or stand on something to make that strike.
     
  16. May 5, 2014 #36 of 116
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    I suspect that Bran's experience probably tempers his enthusiasm, if for example warging into a bird is a "1" degree of difficulty, a wolf is a "3" and Hodor is an "8" or "9", he may realize that trying to Warg a normal person would be "Bad" (as in "time stopping and every molecule of your body exploding outward at the speed of light" bad)

    But he got Brandor to start rocking against the chains, which casued them to break free from the wall, which Hodor probably couldn't figure out.
     
  17. May 5, 2014 #37 of 116
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Not really. Marrying, in practical terms, gets you married to a noble. And it gets you noble children. But your fortunes are entirely linked to your spouse & kids. Without them, you're nothing, or at best, you are what you were before.

    Which is why Margaery is so eager to marry herself another king...the last one didn't "stick." (Neither did the first one, but he really doesn't count, never having been formally invested.)
     
  18. May 5, 2014 #38 of 116
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    Good point.

    But spending your life with Lysa and her son are a pretty high price for having a title and a castle (stronghold? holdfast?). There must be a longer term plan. Perhaps he hopes to bring things around to where Sansa can come out of hiding and he can marry her.
     
  19. May 5, 2014 #39 of 116
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Probably his plan is to manipulate the power that comes from being able to manipulate Lysa to his own advantage. Which is basically what he's done all along...achieve whatever power he can, and then leverage it to his benefit. By marrying the widow of one quasi-king and the mother of another, he has considerably increased his possibilities.
     
  20. May 5, 2014 #40 of 116
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    It would probably be best for her if she were Petyr's daughter. They don't sleep with their children in Westeros, do they?

    What did Lysa reveal to Sansa? Other than the obvious, that she's crazy about Petyr and jealous of Sansa.

    I do feel bad for Sansa, but she's in a lot better shape than poor Arya. Of course Arya is able to take care of herself. Sansa needs to toughen up.

    Lysa is in charge in the Eyrie now since Robert is under age, but the power really goes with him, not her. If Sansa could learn to control him when she marries him (yuck :( ) she could run things--and he already seems to really like Petyr.

    So it's very likely that Petyr is throwing one trap after the other at Tyrion. He almost went flying when his dagger was used on Bran, and now he's wanted for murder, thanks to Petyr. Does he see Tyrion as the most threatening of the Lannisters? The guy most likely to see through his plans?
     

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