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Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by wedgecon, May 31, 2015.
Not exactly a Wildling fort!
That was a good read, thanks. Loved this part on when you know someone will die
"The character just kissed his/her children, promised to be right behind them, then gazed longingly upon their boat as it rowed away."
Doh. Misread the question.
I'm a little confused about the discussion of the Night's King. I'll spoilerize my question:
In the article, it talks about how the 13th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch shacked up with the Pale Queen and then declared himself to be the Night's King. The article also says that the White Walkers existed before this time, and the Wall was built and the Night's Watch created in response to the threat from the White Walkers. So if the White Walkers existed prior to the Night's King, and if the Night's King was originally just an ordinary human, why are we assuming that the White Walker we saw in this episode is the Night's King? Are we assuming that the 13th Lord Commander somehow became a WW and has now survived for thousands of years and become the leader of the WW? Is the Night's King not really a WW? Is the Night's King a WW but not the leader of the WW?
Lots of questions that may or may not have been answered in the books. If you'd rather give the answer unspoiled in the Books thread, let me know, as I'm following along over there despite not being a book reader.
I'll do my best.
The reason we are assuming this is the Night's King is because HBO has basically confirmed as such in their viewer's guide to the show.
That said, the show *seems* to be telling us that the Night's King somehow became a WW and has survived since then. But the books don't really give any sort of answer other than the Night's King legend that is discussed in that column.
So basically, lots of questions, no answers at this point.
I thought I heard/read someone mention that HBO's viewer's guide briefly referred to that character as the Night's King, but then they attempted to retract it and said it was a mistake.
Yes, that happened last season. But the most recent viewer's guide calls the character the Night King throughout the synopsis, so they appear to be confirming it now.
I think the show has made it clear that it very rare, but that there are a few of them around. It seems that most major houses have one. Even if the definition of "major" covers 10-15 families, that's not a lot by any stretch.
2 additional observations after the second watch:
1. Is that other girl at the house of black and white going to betray Arya? She seems pissed that Arya is progressing in her "studies".
2. The Lord of Bones is now a Wight. We didn't see it (we did see the cute mom), but I think it's safe to assume that he is. Oh, and that WW killed then raised back from the dead a TON of wildings. I missed the scope of the wide shot the first time.
1) yes, I thought so. She wants to knock Arya down a peg.
Cute mom is in Pitch Perfect 2. Took me a minute to realize that because her hair is different.
I think you mean "Cute, DEAD, mom".
Yeah, I think I mentioned that earlier. We were told last season that Mance had 100k (or was it 150k) wildlings, and this episode they said they only had about 5k wildlings on the boats, and then however many more made it there during the battle. That's a HUGE army to deal with. But at the same time, I'm also wondering in what way they even are a threat, because I thought the wall had some magical properties to repel them.
To add to that,
If you watch the on demand version of the episode Hardhome, folowing it is an interview with the producers, where they refer to the WW raising the dead as the Night's King.
Show watchers, book readers have officially been spoiled. And we don't care.
I'm thinking at some point the show will present us with at least the possibility that the wall will be breached.
I think they've already done that...it's really just a question of when.
Because a bunch of guys standing on a wall thumbing their noses at the enemy doesn't make for much of a grand climax...
They did it in season 1, episode 1, scene 1 !
The Wall is breachable, it's why they had so many forts for the Night's Watch. They have fallen into disrepair and the NW numbers have decreased dramatically. Jon himself came over the wall as did Tormund and the Theens