Game of Thrones 5/22/16 "The Door"

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  1. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

    Apr 16, 2003


    Very cool video about the making of that final sequence from this episode:

    Toward the end of the video, Dan and David say that GRRM told them about the origin of Hodor's name and how that whole situation was to work with Bran basically "short circuiting" Wyllis' brain.

    So while technically the show is past the books, I suspect there's still a lot of interaction with GRRM and they're probably not doing much without his blessing.
  2. JYoung

    JYoung Series 3

    Jan 16, 2002
    Los Angeles
    So how much did Baelish know about Ramsay before he gave Sansa away to the Boltons?

    It seemed to me that most of his obsession with Catelyn got transferred to Sansa and it seemed quite pervy to me the way he'd look at her sometimes.

    So he was willing to give her away to the Boltons to further his own ends and didn't know anything about Ramsay but that make Baelish an SOB for doing so.

    Or he knew all about Ramsay and his full blown sadism and still gave him Sansa which makes Baelish an even bigger SOB.

    I guess the takeaway is that Petry is a real SOB.
  3. morac

    morac Cat God TCF Club

    Mar 14, 2003

    Yep, that's the scene I was thinking about, though it turns out it wasn't the Nights King, but some other walker.

  4. JETarpon

    JETarpon Well-Known Member

    Jan 1, 2003
  5. Anubys

    Anubys All About Footwork

    Jul 16, 2004


    I think that's book information. As far as the show is concerned, I believe Littlefinger has talked about things as if he were there and in the know. The story he told Sansa during one of the jousting games about how Raegar gave the blue flower to Ned's sister (forget her name) instead of his wife (after winning the tournament) implied that he was right there in the thick of things and knew what was really going on.
  6. Anubys

    Anubys All About Footwork

    Jul 16, 2004
    One more point to make/add to your list: He fought side by side for an entire year with his best friend, Robert Baratheon, all the way to King's Landing. Yet Robert had no clue who Ned had the affair and bastard with and was incredulous that Ned even slept with another woman, period.

    All these clues were there. As a show watcher, I recall posting the theory that Jon is who we think he is and thinking I was making a genius deduction that everyone missed. People quickly posted that this theory has been around for years and welcomed me to the party.

    My point is that these clues were put in the show and they rise to a level where it would be surprising if the theory is not true at this point. I can only assume there are even more clues in the books.
  7. TonyD79

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2002
    Columbia, MD
    And here I thought the episode "The Door" was about a second door into the place the dragons are being held.

  8. Shaunnick

    Shaunnick Active Member

    Jul 1, 2005
    Knoxville, TN
    I always thought that was a direction issue and not so much a story issue (meaning the director wanted the awesome finale' shot and could not care for how it would appear when the show came back). As the shot pulls out the WW apparently does not see Sam and all of those zombies walk right past him.
  9. Shaunnick

    Shaunnick Active Member

    Jul 1, 2005
    Knoxville, TN
    The tourney at Harrenhall and what happened there is known by the entire kingdom as it was quite the scandal. It would take no special knowledge to be aware of that.

    And on it's surface all it showed is Rhaegar had a thing for Lyanna. It did not mean that she reciprocated it.
  10. goblue97

    goblue97 Welcome Home, Jimmy!

    May 12, 2005
    This could give Benjen's (possible) return some purpose. That is, if Ned told him about Jon and the theory is true.
    Last edited: May 24, 2016
  11. 3D

    3D Active Member

    Oct 9, 2001
    Plantation, FL.
  12. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Raconteur TCF Club

    Jan 6, 2003
    Holy Moley! That is unbelievable. And the way the guy got to it (the elevator story) is amazing.

    It's a short read, y'all should click on it.
  13. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Raconteur TCF Club

    Jan 6, 2003
    Rewatched a few scenes last night, some thoughts:

    * When Littlefinger told Sansa he was leaving for King's Landing, and was leaving her alone at Winterfell, neither of them expressed much dismay about Ramsay at the time. They even commented on how the dad Roose scared them more than Ramsay. And Sansa ended the scene talking about how she was going to use her feminine wiles to control Ramsay, should it come to that.

    I believe neither of them thought anyone would do harm to a daughter of Ned Stark, and Littlefinger had no idea what he was leaving Sansa to face.

    * The scene with Benjen in S1E1. I didn't catch any "who is Jon Snow really" overtones in that conversation. I think it was just a man who's been in the Nights Watch trying to make sure a potential recruit knew what he was getting into, and what he was giving up.
  14. dcheesi

    dcheesi ...I'm not.

    Apr 6, 2001
    MD, USA
    I could be wrong, but I think it's more of a stable time-loop thing. It's not a situation where Bran went back and changed a previous timeline; this timeline has always been and always will be the one real timeline, complete with the apparent causality loops. Essentially Bran was destined to create Hodor, and the Raven was just facilitating what he knew would happen anyway.
  15. heySkippy

    heySkippy oldweakandpathetic

    Jul 2, 2001
    Sarasota, FL
    I maintain that Ned never breathed so much as a hint to anyone about Jon's parentage out of fear for the boy's safety. Not to his wife, not to his brother, not to anyone. It was the only way to be sure.
  16. BrettStah

    BrettStah Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Nov 12, 2000
    San Antonio
    It seemed almost too unbelievable, but the wayback machine confirms this article has been up since 2014 with the same text.
  17. ACoolDude

    ACoolDude Well-Known Member

    Dec 11, 2001
    Not sure where to put this, figured it was "safe" here without spoilers, talks about John Snow being alive/not being able to keep a secret...

  18. uncdrew

    uncdrew Annie 2.0

    Aug 6, 2002
    Down South
    These Stark kids are dopes. Bad home schooling.

    Bran, well done. Curiousity killed all your cats. Idiot.

    Arya, c'mon already. They tell you who to kill, you do it. You don't get to know them, you don't decide who you want to kill, you don't try to talk them out of it. Perhap a different career choice would be wise for you.

    Sansa, you're doing a bit better. But probably best to tell Jon everything -- you don't really have many true allies left.
  19. uncdrew

    uncdrew Annie 2.0

    Aug 6, 2002
    Down South
    Sweet seems to be the wrong word, but yes. You're right.
  20. ej42137

    ej42137 Well-Known Member

    Feb 15, 2014
    Los Angeles
    The common tongue is English. Only in English are "see" and "sea" homophones; only in English is "sea" spelt with the letter "a". Only in English do "fewer" and "less" have a similar but distinct meaning beloved by grammar nazi.

    I agree. Bran was advised that the past was fixed unchangeable; if he could not affect the past there would be no reason to warn him so urgently, since his attempts would be fruitless. (Of course, it is always possible that advice was mistaken or a prevarication.) Apparently he can affect the past, but only to fulfill events, never to make actual changes. Breaking poor Willis' mind was an instance of this.

    In traditional time-travel stories with a fixed past it is very dangerous to try to change the past, because the easiest way for the universe to have thwarted you is your death. I presume this is the model GRRM is following for TSoI&F.

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