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Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Rob Helmerichs, May 22, 2016.
A man and his word is worth less than a son's entire self worth IMO so yeah.
I'm not saying it wasn't physically possible based on the timing. But Ned was at war and wasn't likely to be creating a relationship with some random woman in the evenings. And then when you couple that with all the other pieces that I listed, especially the part about the Kingsguard staying to guard the tower even after Rhaegar was dead and the part about Ned defeating the Kingsguard but not returning home with Lyanna, then the obvious inference would be that the Kingsguard were protecting Lyanna because she was carrying a Targaryen heir, Lyanna died in childbirth, and Ned took the baby home with him to Winterfell, not telling anyone who his true parents were because the Targaryens had just been deposed and that would make the baby a target.
Ned was sworn to secrecy by his sister. He barely knew Catelyn when they got married and spent the first year of their marriage away at war. It is not a stretch he didn't tell her the truth when he got back. They grew to love each other over time, but Ned took an oath. As to Jon's treatment, it was only ever Catelyn and Sansa (to a lesser extent) that treated him badly. Everyone else treated him fairly, and the other siblings treated him as one of them.
Ahhhh, but what if that woman was Ashara Dayne? She and Ned already had a relationship before hand and were in love, and she did commit suicide shortly before the war ended, but after Ned married another woman. Catelyn even mentioned Ashara in Ep1 of S1.
The only people treating Jon bad were Catelyn and Sansa. Catelyn was contemptuous and Sansa just ignored him. It sucked, but Ned probably thought it was a small price.
It would mostly be for the boy's safety. If King Robert had even dreamed the boy might have a Targareyn father, he'd have him killed.
Well, Jon probably wasn't Ned's son.
But my point was not that Ned was a good man for keeping his word. The point was that Ned keeping his word is a possible explanation for how he could allow Cat to treat Jon badly and not tell her Jon's parentage (assuming he is not Jon's father).
You say that like it is a fact instead of a supposition. It could be that Ned swore to protect Jon, or to treat him like his son, rather than swearing to tell no one of Jon's parentage. Maybe there was room in his oath to tell Cat the truth...but he just chose not to.
Meanwhile every other man who was *not* her father was yelling the same, but without the question mark: "Again!"
His niece, no?
I think it's important to add that Catelyn was supposed to marry Ned's brother but he got killed (I believe); so Ned, being the honorable man he was, married Catelyn in his brother's place. Shortly after that he was off to war.
So this little bit of spoiler was already mentioned a while back:
The actor who plays Thoros of Myr is being brought back. I didn't know (until today) that he is the one who brings Catelyn back to life (as Lady Stoneheart).
Could it be that Lady Stoneheart is already up and about, and hanging out with her uncle Black Fish? Could Brienne be riding to a big surprise reunion?
Ned's father and older brother went to King's Landing to protest the abduction of their daughter/sister and were roasted alive by the mad king. That's what started the war.
I believe this is what would coincide with the Brienne/Stoneheart story line that was at the end of the 5th book, where Stoneheart seems to kill Brienne. So maybe they will not be skipping over that stuff, like they skipped Jennie Poole and put Sansa into that role and sent the pink letter after Jon died.
I'd say 3, 4, 5, and 6 are pretty well known.
You're giving Littlefinger too much credit.
I rewatched s01e01 today and I think Benjen alluded to this. He was discouraging Jon from taking the black: None of us will ever father sons/I don't care about that/You might, if you knew what it meant.
I didn't read much into it the first time but note I wonder if it's something more.
No, wrong white walker. You are talking about the one back in season 3 (or 4??) that Sam kills after sneaking Gilly out of Crasters keep. He was talking about the scene in the Season 2 finale, where we see the white walker army for the first time. The nights watch is up north of the wall. Sam and a few others are out gather "supplies" when the snow storm comes in. The other guy run but Sam can't. He hides behind a rock as the army walks by, seemingly not noticing Sam. But the the Nights King looks over straight at Sam, but does nothing to him.
Driftwood I think, with them worshipping the drowned God and all.
The director of this ep, his first GoT, did direct a lot of eps of Lost.
Well, because the public story makes her out to have been cheated on. She might know the truth yet still resent Jon Snow for making people think her husband was unfaithful to her.