Game of Thrones 5/22/16 "The Door"

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Rob Helmerichs, May 22, 2016.

  1. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

    Apr 16, 2003


    Speaking of that, how did he get through The Twins and Moat Caillin? Do the Freys and the Boltons still think he's on their side?
  2. cherry ghost

    cherry ghost Well-Known Member

    Sep 13, 2005

    He might have been able to avoid The Twins.

    He told Sansa his army was at Moat Cailin. I guess we're supposed to assume the Boltons abandoned it when they moved to Winterfell.
  3. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

    Apr 16, 2003
    Hmm, I missed him saying that. But no way would the Boltons abandon Moat Cailin. That's way too strategic of a position.
  4. ej42137

    ej42137 Well-Known Member

    Feb 15, 2014
    Los Angeles
    It requires more suspension of disbelief than I possess to think this author would make that kind of mistake. I've read lots of fantasy that makes this kind of error, but in my experience GRRM does not.
    Last edited: May 25, 2016
  5. DreadPirateRob

    DreadPirateRob Seriously?

    Nov 11, 2002


    Coming from the Vale, one would skip the Twins altogether, since the Kingsroad lies east of the rivers, and you would reach it first, and then head north.
  6. DreadPirateRob

    DreadPirateRob Seriously?

    Nov 11, 2002

    Moat Cailin is only strategic if you want to defend against an army marching north, but it's nearly indefensible if you are trying to defend it from northerners. Plus it's mainly ruins at this point.
    So I'm not sure what strategic importance it would hold for Ramsay now. He's not really worried about any armies from the south, and his hold on the north is tenuous at best. He already had to pull his army to Winterfell to defend it from Stannis. That, and the added dangers of being close to the swamplands and House Reed (loyal to the Starks), with those nasty poison arrows and the ability to wage a guerrilla campaign for an extended period, and it doesn't make sense to stay at the Moat.

    Plus, you're ignoring the emotional pull that Winterfell and the Dreadfort would have on Ramsay. Winterfell has always been the seat of power in the North, and a bastard with aspirations of power would concentrate his forces there to make sure he kept it. And the Dreadfort would obviously be something he had dreamed of being in charge of as the illegitimate son of Roose Bolton. Now that he has it, he's not letting that go either.

    I have no problem believing it to be deserted.
  7. Anubys

    Anubys All About Footwork

    Jul 16, 2004
    As far as the Yara thing, I don't think it's too big a leap to say that many of the Ironborn are loyal to her given her status as the daughter of the king and being the leader of their military (and proven in battle). So I can easily see that she would have a ton of supporters loyal to her and leaving with her because they believe she is the rightful heir to the throne.
  8. vertigo235

    vertigo235 Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Oct 27, 2000
    It seems all she needed to do was kill her uncle on the spot. Leaving with the fleet was not the best idea IMO.

    Especially after he admitted to killing the King.
  9. mooseAndSquirrel

    mooseAndSquirrel Well-Known Member

    Aug 31, 2001
    Whatsamatta U
    Agreed. Regicide isn't cool. I expected her to whip out a sword and run him through, instead of staring at Theon with an oh nohzzz expresssion.

    I also agree with the almost Monty Pythonish cheering for whoever stepped up to claim the crown. The Iron born seem like a bunch of idiots.

    Assuming close-by timber of sufficient quantity and a bunch of shipwrights and carpenters with no other responsibilities, I wonder what's a realistic time to make a warship. I'm figuring it's got to be a year. Considering the motley collection of 80 people at the King's Dunkin' and a similar number running with Yara, they could build 1000 ships in something like 300 years.
  10. Dawghows

    Dawghows Liberal Elitist

    May 17, 2001
  11. Shaunnick

    Shaunnick Active Member

    Jul 1, 2005
    Knoxville, TN
    Pyke is just one island out of a group of many islands of the western coast of northern westoros. It is also the ancesteral home of the Greyjoy family. The other islands are full of trees and vegetation. Pyke itself is as barren as it looks on the show.
  12. heySkippy

    heySkippy oldweakandpathetic

    Jul 2, 2001
    Sarasota, FL
    You call it regicide, he called it paying the iron price.
  13. jakerock

    jakerock Hey ho howdy!

    Dec 9, 2002
    Lee, NH
    The whole thing with Yara seemed off. The uncle gets voted in as king. That's fine I guess. She then has enough men that are loyal to her to take ALL the ships (well the good ships). This leaves enough men to "build a thousand" ships. How many iron born are there? They seem to have a mighty big population if Yara's forces (a minority of the forces since she lost the election) sail off with the entire fleet leaving behind a majority of the men who can now build a bunch of ships.

    What the heck?
  14. Anubys

    Anubys All About Footwork

    Jul 16, 2004
    I assumed there are rules for the King's Moot (or whatever the heck the debate is) prohibit killing your opponent.

    But then again, I had assumed the whole thing would have been a duel between the wanna-be kings anyway, considering the Iron Price and all that...
  15. BrettStah

    BrettStah Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Nov 12, 2000
    San Antonio
    Maybe a breath-holding contest! The last one who drowns wins.
  16. Ereth

    Ereth Unemployed Bum

    Jun 16, 2000
    While at the same time assuming he made the error of having the language be English when England, where the language was created, doesn't exist, where the history of the island, with the various invasions necessary to mutate the language into what we now know as English, never happened?
  17. ct1

    ct1 Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Jun 27, 2003
    Wait, who said that the English in that world came from England? Sure, our English did, but their exactly equivalent English language could have come about in a totally different way..

    (Prequel Novel -- The origin of English, by GRRM.)
  18. ej42137

    ej42137 Well-Known Member

    Feb 15, 2014
    Los Angeles
    That is exactly as relevant as Westros inhabitants being human beings in spite of having evolved on a planet with a completely different geologic history. But if the Common Tongue does not consist of the same words and structure as modern English, "see" and "sea" would not sound alike nor would the other examples of distinctly English usage make any sense.
  19. Robin

    Robin Impolite arrogant woman

    Dec 6, 2001
    I assumed it was a completely unreasonable demand. We've all heard politicians make those right? I won't name names, I don't want this moved to the political forum.:eek:
  20. allan

    allan Just someone TCF Club

    Oct 13, 2002
    English is truly a universal language. :D

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