Game of Thrones 05/22/2011 "A Golden Crown"

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  1. May 24, 2011 #41 of 135
    robojerk

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    Unfortunately, if you look at human history that was the system for many cultures for centuries. Notions like "might is right" are abundant in history, also some people believed god(s) would never let the right man lose a trial by combat.
     
  2. May 24, 2011 #42 of 135
    Tracy

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    Oh, wow. I never knew that.
     
  3. May 24, 2011 #43 of 135
    Aniketos

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    Its a very large story. Think of it this way, George R.R. Martin created a world and he likes to play in it, there will be threads that go down dead ends, or don't come back for several books (hell, there have been some things already shown in the series that aren't revealed until much later in the books) The show has to establish a lot of pieces and the next few episodes are going to show the results. The story is far more a character study and a deconstruction of medieval life and politics. So, while it seems meandering (and it is) there are major things happening in the background of all of it, the next several episodes will probably focus a little bit, but maybe not as much as you want (hell there are seven books and we're just about to get the fifth in a few months.)

    She can't do whatever she wants because she's a woman (one of the major themes in the books is the limited roles that women can maneuver in this world and the benefits and consequences to confine yourself to that role (Sansa) or buck the system (Arya). Cersei sticks to the traditional system while trying to covertly pull strings in the background. She and Robert do not have a loving relationship, so she does not get to outright defy or force Robert to do what she wants. Contrast that to Ned and Cat's loving relationship. Cat really screwed up by capturing Tyrion, but Ned not only comes to her defense, he takes the responsibility for her actions.

    Yes, the way archetypes get played with and subverted is part of the reason the books are so popular, most people are far, far more complicated than they first appear.
     
  4. May 24, 2011 #44 of 135
    Rob Helmerichs

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    That was the same culture that gave us the floating witch test (throw the suspect into the water; if she floats, she's a witch; if she sinks, she's innocent, and hopefully you can fish her out before she drowns).

    Trial by combat
    Trial by ordeal
     
  5. May 24, 2011 #45 of 135
    spikedavis

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    SHE'S A WITCH!
     
  6. May 24, 2011 #46 of 135
    Tracy

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    Witch!!!
     
  7. May 24, 2011 #47 of 135
    Rob Helmerichs

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    The scientific explanation:

    Sir Bedevere: There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.
    Peasant 1: Are there? Oh well, tell us.
    Sir Bedevere: Tell me. What do you do with witches?
    Peasant 1: Burn them.
    Sir Bedevere: And what do you burn, apart from witches?
    Peasant 1: More witches.
    Peasant 2: Wood.
    Sir Bedevere: Good. Now, why do witches burn?
    Peasant 3: ...because they're made of... wood?
    Sir Bedevere: Good. So how do you tell whether she is made of wood?
    Peasant 1: Build a bridge out of her.
    Sir Bedevere: But can you not also build bridges out of stone?
    Peasant 1: Oh yeah.
    Sir Bedevere: Does wood sink in water?
    Peasant 1: No, no, it floats!... It floats! Throw her into the pond!
    Sir Bedevere: No, no. What else floats in water?
    Peasant 1: Bread.
    Peasant 2: Apples.
    Peasant 3: Very small rocks.
    Peasant 1: Cider.
    Peasant 2: Gravy.
    Peasant 3: Cherries.
    Peasant 1: Mud.
    Peasant 2: Churches.
    Peasant 3: Lead! Lead!
    King Arthur: A Duck.
    Sir Bedevere: ...Exactly. So, logically...
    Peasant 1: If she weighed the same as a duck... she's made of wood.
    Sir Bedevere: And therefore...
    Peasant 2: ...A witch!
     
  8. May 24, 2011 #48 of 135
    cheesesteak

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    I don't think my girlfriend would eat a bloody horse's heart for me.
     
  9. May 24, 2011 #49 of 135
    BK89

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    So what is Ned going to do once the King's men arrest Gregor "The Mountain" and bring him back to King's Landing? Can't Gregor just request a trial by combat as well? I don't think anyone will be jumping at the chance to take him on. What a dumb system, so someone as big as he is can pretty much do whatever he wants then?
     
  10. May 24, 2011 #50 of 135
    JETarpon

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    It wasn't for him, it was for the baby. To make it strong.

    Sent from my rockin' Nexus One
     
  11. May 24, 2011 #51 of 135
    Roommate

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    But you're not a horse lord, are you? Surely, she would eat a cheesesteak for you...
     
  12. May 24, 2011 #52 of 135
    Roommate

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    Gregor doesn't strike me as a guy who would willingly submit to arrest anyway.

    (Yes, it's a very dumb system, but a historically accurate one.)
     
  13. May 24, 2011 #53 of 135
    Tracy

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    This always makes me laugh.
     
  14. May 24, 2011 #54 of 135
    dandrewk

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    Yes, a prostitute. Last week we saw her with Theon. She was taunting him, goading him, making fun of his "servant" status even though he is the eldest son of a great lord.
     
  15. May 24, 2011 #55 of 135
    stellie93

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    Ok, I was thinking of beyond the wall all wrong. I expected them to be total barbarians even more so than the Dothraki and maybe a little supernatural. So they're just other tribes a little less organized without big castles? So disappointing.

    So were those just dogs they're used so far? I would rather have them stay smaller than not be able to show them at all. These last couple eps have been great, but the one where Lady died is still my favorite. :(

    That's what I get for reading all the spoilers. I didn't mind knowing the main point of the spoiler, but was disappointed to see the other big plot point thrown in there. :( My fault.
     
  16. May 24, 2011 #56 of 135
    danterner

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    I'm sorry. :(
    I'll go back and make my spoiler more vague and also preface it better. Won't help you retroactively. :(:(
     
  17. May 24, 2011 #57 of 135
    BK89

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    So we are now complaining about spoilers that have been properly prefaced with do not read unless you want spoliers and have been properly hidden with the spoiler button? Just checking. :rolleyes:
     
  18. May 24, 2011 #58 of 135
    astrohip

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    I'm pretty sure the only place this is still true is on Survivor. :D
     
  19. May 24, 2011 #59 of 135
    stellie93

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    I said it was totally my fault for reading it. I've read all the spoilers on this thread, and this is the first time I've regretted it, so I'll probably keep on reading them. ;)
     
  20. May 24, 2011 #60 of 135
    astrohip

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    If you're not reading Entertainment Weekly's GoT recaps, you need to be. They educate & illuminate, and they're hilarious.

    On the heart eating scene...
     

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