Future of CableCARD by EDITOR

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  1. Dec 7, 2015 #1021 of 2036
    nleavitt

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    Great! so who cares about their own boxes? What does that matter or affect? Do whatever they want, as long as they provide cablecards for our Tivos.
     
  2. Dec 8, 2015 #1022 of 2036
    CharlesH

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    The idea was to improve their support of cable cards by forcing them to "eat their own dog food". But they just pre-installed and activated the cards in their own devices, leaving support for third-party devices (like TiVo) to fend for itself. Also, their devices could have upstream communication, so VoD and PPV and SDV could work just fine on their boxes. In the end, forcing them to put cable cards in their own boxes didn't accomplish anything, so they dropped the requirement.
     
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  3. Dec 8, 2015 #1023 of 2036
    BobCamp1

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    Tivo wasn't shut out of DirecTV. There were and are DirecTivos.

    They were shut out of Dish. The lawsuit didn't help.
     
  4. Dec 8, 2015 #1024 of 2036
    BobCamp1

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    The hurdles are excessive but the MSOs are just one of them. Tivo and the other big players like Amazon and Google are part of the problem. I see them crowding out the rest of the market due to their existing market presence, deep pockets, and their IPR. I'd include Apple too, but they already realize it's not worth the effort (and that's a red flag, in case you didn't see it.)

    And those smaller DVRs are horrible, and I bet (except for you) nobody can name a single one of them off the top of their head. The OTA models don't have to deal with the MSOs at all, and they're still failing because they're still trying to overcome all those other hurdles. It's possible that it's not a money-making business no matter what you replace the CableCard with. The MSOs and huge companies can afford to develop the boxes and rent them without much of a profit, while the smaller third-party players can't afford to do that.

    Not to mention that the future is not in TVs, but in apps and tablets. I can already stream linear content to my devices and I don't need a special box to do it. I did it today when the DVR failed because of the President's Sunday night speech. I had both VoD and the FOX website available to view the full episode legally at no additional cost. My MSO also had an app for that. What is this future magical box supposed to do that I can't already do?

    Setting up a CableCard is a huge PITA. So you want to replace it with something that's MORE complicated and MORE expensive while forcing MORE MSOs to get involved? And you expect it to be MORE successful?
     
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  5. Dec 8, 2015 #1025 of 2036
    Dan203

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    I fail to see how it's more complicated. The gateway approach takes away the whole authorization portion of CableCARDs. Because the gateway is owned by the MSO it should be no different to setup then one of their own STBs. And adding a device would be as simple as plugging it in to you local network. You wouldn't need to call and get it authorized because it would use open standard to find the gateway automatically and stream from it without any specific authorization.
     
  6. Dec 8, 2015 #1026 of 2036
    innocentfreak

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    HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    Bravo TiVo! This is exactly why I want TiVo to just team up with SlingTV or PS Vue and offer their OTT "cable TV" services in conjunction with their OTA abilities and then they can just give these MSOs the high, hard middle finger!!! They shouldn't have to deal with these morons! :rolleyes:

    PS - of course we will all still have to deal with them for their internet, which they'll price gouge on and throw in data caps, especially if you don't have their crappy TV signals. More and more I'm ready to go back to DirecTV, if for nothing more than their vastly superior image quality. Sorry TiVo, not really your fault as I'm sure you already know based on that letter. :(
     
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  8. Dec 9, 2015 #1028 of 2036
    shwru980r

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    I was referring to retail DVRs. The direct tv Tivo is not a retail product.
     
  9. Dec 9, 2015 #1029 of 2036
    Dan203

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    If something like AllVid comes to pass then you'll be able to switch to DirecTV and keep your TiVo, or SlingTV, or Playstation Vue, etc.... Because of the gateway approach you'd be able to use the same owned equipment with any video service you choose.
     
  10. Dec 9, 2015 #1030 of 2036
    HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    Yep, we can dream can't we. :)
     
  11. Dec 9, 2015 #1031 of 2036
    Dan203

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    That's my dream. 5 years ago when they purposed AllVid the prospect seemed unlikely because the technology didn't exist. But today with DLNA CVP-2 and MoCa they could make this happen today with very little effort. They're just being whinny b*tches about it because they don't want the competition.
     
  12. Dec 9, 2015 #1032 of 2036
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    It's not the end of the horse that produces a "whinny" that they resemble.
     
  13. Dec 9, 2015 #1033 of 2036
    HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    :p:p:p
     
  14. slowbiscuit

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    Wow, looks like the gloves have come off now, indeed this was a great reply. Directly addresses all the stupidity and FUD in the Black Caucus letter too. I have a feeling that that one really touched a nerve at Tivo when they saw that the MSOs are buying off groups to astroturf for them to the FCC now.

    And even better, they threw in the Comcast et al attempts to impose data caps to restrict cord cutting as an example of how cable just wants to fleece captive customers at every turn.

    Perfect response!
     
  15. Dan203

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    Seemed a little defensive to me, but better then the crap the cable industry groups have been spewing.
     
  16. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    The next shot is fired in the battle......

    Is this true Dan, or others more familiar with the tech of AllVid than I?

     
  17. GoodSpike

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    Not worth a new thread, so I'll post it here.

    I switched from an HD Homerun to a Tivo Bolt, and everything worked but HBO channels. My first call to Comcast tech support was a disaster, with the woman not knowing anything at all about Cablecard. Fortunately I got disconnected when she tried to transfer me (I think it was to the wrong place), and the next guy understood the issue and transferred me quickly to someone who did know what to do. Night and day experience.
     
  18. tarheelblue32

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    You should never call the main Comcast support line for CableCard support. You should only be calling the Comcast CableCard hotline. You're lucky you got someone that knew how to transfer you to the CableCard people.
     
  19. Dan203

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    It's true. Unless they switch to an all IP system having a virtual head end in the "cloud" would not be possible. Plus, as they point out, that would only work for cable companies, not for DSS or providers using other technology.

    It would really need a physical device, with physical tuners, to fit into the existing architecture. Although there is nothing preventing them from combining that with the DOCSIS modem. Like they do with the phone stuff in modern modems. So you wouldn't necessarily need an extra box, just to replace your existing one with a new box.

    Plus even if it were a separate box who cares? If it allowed you to eliminate the box you currently need at every single TV then there would still be a net loss in the number of boxes you'd need. In some extreme cases, like those of us with multiple TiVos and Minis it might result in more boxes but we're the minority. For most people it would reduce the number of boxes they needed, and should greatly reduce the amount they pay for leased equipment.
     
  20. randian

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    Since that leased equipment is a major source of profit for the cablecos they would naturally oppose that state of affairs.
     

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