Future of CableCARD by EDITOR

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  1. Dec 4, 2015 #1001 of 2036
    Diana Collins

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    If there were a viable market for 3rd party STBs you would see people like Arris sell boxes at retail. It is a chicken and egg sort of issue. As long as one party controls the gateway, no one else wants to enter the market.
     
  2. Dec 4, 2015 #1002 of 2036
    HarperVision

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    Nail hit squarely and firmly on the head!
     
  3. Dec 4, 2015 #1003 of 2036
    Dan203

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    Yes but if you read the letter they claim that 3rd party devices will be able to replace the ads in the content and specifically mention that it will take revenue away from the content providers and limit their ability to fund future content. That's the part that's BS. The MSOs want control over the UI because they want to put in the ads you mentioned, they don't care about the ads in the content at all.
     
  4. Dec 4, 2015 #1004 of 2036
    Dan203

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    Exactly. There are a dozen software developers and small DVR makers that make DVRs for OTA, I'm sure they would all love to make cable compatible devices/software. There are also some who use to make DVR software, like SnapStream, that would love to get back into the market. (I've talked to them personally) The reason it s currently only TiVo and MCE is because the hurdles involved to make a 3rd party DVR are excessive and consumer demand is low because the process of setting up a CableCARD is a huge PITA.
     
  5. Dec 4, 2015 #1005 of 2036
    Bigg

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    The other barrier to entry currently for 3rd party DVRs is that CableCard doesn't apply to DBS, and thus probably half or more of the high-end, tech-savvy customers are locked up on DirecTV.
     
  6. Dec 4, 2015 #1006 of 2036
    CharlesH

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    Is the cable industry position essentially that anyone should be able to manufacture a set-top box, but they will be indistinguishable to the user since they will all be running the cableco's app?
     
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    CharlesH

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    I think the term is "astroturfing": an artificial "grass roots" campaign.
     
  8. Dec 4, 2015 #1008 of 2036
    Dan203

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    Essentially yes. They want full control over the "user experience", which is crap because it does not allow manufacturers to distinguish themselves in any way.

    AllVid wants to separate all the various services into some sort of standard that 3rd parties can wrap their own UI around.

    I think they should use a sort of hybrid approach where they use the gateway to do two things... 1) Allow 3rd party devices to request a linear stream that they can do whatever they want with, just like CableCARD works now. 2) Host an HTML5 based app that any device can access which presents all of the MSOs other services. That would give us some of the flexibility of AllVid while simplifying the standard and giving the MSOs a bit of what they want.
     
  9. Dec 5, 2015 #1009 of 2036
    Bigg

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    That makes sense. As we have seen with TiVo, the MSO's VOD experience is far better than a third party experience, but at the same time, we need direct access to linear content for DVR functionality.
     
  10. Dec 5, 2015 #1010 of 2036
    innocentfreak

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    Care to explain? Since I have FiOS, I don't have access to VOD, but the few times I have seen it on a FiOS DVR the UI was horrible enough I doubt I would ever touch VOD.

    I would much rather have a TiVo UI presenting and controlling VOD playback rather than using an app that doesn't consistently use the buttons as TiVo does.
     
  11. Dec 6, 2015 #1011 of 2036
    shwru980r

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    Tivo has lost millions of retail subscribers since 2007, because of cable cards and being shut out of the retail satellite TV market. I think the demand would return if you didn't need a cable card or could even hook a new Tivo up to satellite TV. The retail Tivo DVRs have improved significantly over the years and there is no reason for customers to abandon them other than the new physical barriers.
     
  12. Dec 6, 2015 #1012 of 2036
    Bigg

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    I'm comparing XoD (Xfinity VOD) on a TiVo Premiere/Mini combo compared to an X1, which I have literally side by side on the same TV. The TiVo XoD is really ugly and kludgy compared to X1. Half the time TiVo doesn't even work. That being said, since I have TiVo, I don't really need XoD, so I'd much rather have the TiVo than the good XoD experience.

    All VOD systems are pretty locked down, and they don't have true FF/RW, if they have any FF at all, so they don't really behave like TiVo, although to your point, the button layouts aren't as bizarre as you'd find for Amazon/Netflix on TiVo.

    YES! DirecTV is the big problem for TiVo. A lot of the customers who would buy TiVos are on DirecTV because their CONUS/Regional service is absolutely superior to any cable or telco TV option except FIOS (which might be a tie), and their LiLs, excepting the lack of subchannels and PEG programming, are often also superior.
     
  13. Dec 6, 2015 #1013 of 2036
    HarperVision

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    It's not just CONUS (Continental US), it's superior here in the middle of the Pacific Ocean too!

    I'm so torn right now between returning fully to directv or continuing with this hybrid of both.
     
  14. Dec 6, 2015 #1014 of 2036
    Johncv

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    DirecTV is now AT&T, in fact, AT&T just announced they are dropping the DirecTV name and changing everything to AT&T Entertainment. Time will tell how badly they f**k everything up and how high they raise the price.
     
  15. Dec 6, 2015 #1015 of 2036
    Bigg

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    Well, technically, you have to have a larger dish to get signals in HI and AK... But yeah, it is available out there. My uncle in AK has it with MLB EI. It's a pretty sweet setup with the 1.2m dish.
     
  16. Dec 7, 2015 #1016 of 2036
    HarperVision

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    Yes, same setup here. :)

    It's mainly due to the angle we are at compared to the satellites and the spread between them from out here.
     
  17. Dec 7, 2015 #1017 of 2036
    trip1eX

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    X1 also looks like it does what Tivo does with Netflix etc and gives you option to stream a show from its VoD service right from the recorded show folder.
     
  18. Dec 7, 2015 #1018 of 2036
    nleavitt

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    So it's after Dec 4, 2015. Did anything actually change with the laws regarding Cablecards? I'm confused.
     
  19. Dec 7, 2015 #1019 of 2036
    Dan203

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    The law change was that they removed the integration ban, which means that they no longer have to use CableCARDs in their own equipment. They are still required to provide them for 3rd party equipment until a downloadable replacement is agreed upon.
     
  20. Dec 7, 2015 #1020 of 2036
    Bigg

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    Yeah, I'm not too sure about that, as I don't use it as a DVR. I have TiVo for that.
     

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