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  1. Nov 12, 2015 #941 of 2036
    DCIFRTHS

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    I never used to feel that way, but I now believe this would be a great solution. I'd like to see it happen. If they do cloud storage, I just hope that TiVo does it right, and there aren't any "bandwidth" issues.
     
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    Dan203

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    That's my one reserve. If they don't do it right it could be a disaster.
     
  3. Nov 12, 2015 #943 of 2036
    HarperVision

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    ACA joins NCTA in seeking to shoot down FCC's AllVid proposal

     
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    Thing is, if the FCC tried to push AllVid, GOP House will probably go after the FCC as they have for the net neutrality ruling.

    I wonder if Google cares enough to lobby (i.e. bribe) Congress on this. Tito probably cares but doesn't have the money.

    Meanwhile the telecoms and probably the big cable companies have several GOP congressmen on their payroll, who try to fight things like net neutrality or municipal broadband.
     
  5. Nov 12, 2015 #945 of 2036
    Dan203

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    That part is total BS! The whole point of AllVid is to use a gateway device to convert from whatever technology their network is already using into the open standard. It wouldn't require any "re-architecture" at all. It would require a hardware device to be designed, but that's it, and the hardware we're talking about isn't much different then existing STBs.

    These guys are just straight up lying about the complexity in an effort to muddy the waters and make the FCC think that it's a big technological hurdle when it's really not. What they really don't like about it is that it actually gives consumers choices. They can choose to buy TVs or inexpensive streaming stick devices instead of leasing their STBs and if their provider pisses them off they can choose to switch to another without much hassle. The actual technology we're talking about here would actually be good for them long term, as it would allow them to drastically change their delivery technology without having to replace millions of STBs. In fact DirecTV is already doing something like this with their RVU technology. But that's proprietary and still locks people to their service, so they're OK with it.
     
  6. Nov 12, 2015 #946 of 2036
    HarperVision

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    Dan, you should lead a campaign to petition the FCC to give them the truth about this then.
     
  7. Nov 12, 2015 #947 of 2036
    Dan203

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    There are people much more qualified then me to do this. Hopefully companies like TiVo and Google band together and do the same kind of lobbying that the MSOs are doing.
     
  8. Nov 12, 2015 #948 of 2036
    Bigg

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    Yup. And we can pretty much guarantee that Arris will come out with something that MSOs can just drop in place anyway. It might be more work for D* and E*, but they are big enough to handle the engineering required to get it working on their system.
     
  9. Nov 12, 2015 #949 of 2036
    HarperVision

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    I mean from a grass roots, everyday Joe Sixpack point of view. Maybe we should do a Change.org type of petition?
     
  10. Nov 14, 2015 #950 of 2036
    slowbiscuit

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    Well to be honest they're also complaining about having to deploy yet another hardware solution that only a small minority of subs will take advantage of. We all know it's worth it just to open up access but beyond the control issue all the MSOs see is more money being spent on tech that they'll have to support for a fraction of their subs.

    The vast majority of subs don't care one whit about open access, they just pay whatever cable says they need for their TVs. Perhaps AllVid will change that but I highly doubt it UNLESS it's applied to all MSOs equally and people see that they can easily move between providers. But I think that's a pipe dream, frankly, and it will be tied up in courts for years.
     
  11. Nov 14, 2015 #951 of 2036
    Dan203

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    MSOs could use it for their own equipment. It would be cheaper for them then multiple STBs and is kind of the direction we're heading anyway with multiroom DVRs.
     
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    Yep it's a massive change for cable companies irregardless. If they have to put a gateway somewhere else in the home besides next to the tv then they need a power outlet somewhere else in the customer's home. That is easy on paper, but a nightmare in the real world.

    And a 6 tuner gateway would be overkill for tons of customers. If you live in small apt and just rented a regular set box for your tv then your costs would go up if a 6 tuner gateway was forced upon you.


    Exactly. And by that time streaming will be that much stronger of an option.
     
  13. Nov 14, 2015 #953 of 2036
    Dan203

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    First off "irregardless" is not a word, it's just regardless.

    Second who says it can't be next to the TV? The beauty of a system like this is it can be anywhere it's convenient. If next to the TV is the most convenient location then it can go there. If putting it in a closet next to a network hub is more convenient then that works too.
     
  14. Nov 14, 2015 #954 of 2036
    HarperVision

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    They could also offer a gateway that does have AV outputs for those that only use one TV or need to put it by one, as well as the headless gateway for those like us.
     
  15. Nov 14, 2015 #955 of 2036
    Dan203

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    Exactly. Or they could put the gateway at the headend and have no hardware in the home at all.
     
  16. Nov 14, 2015 #956 of 2036
    lessd

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    Is not the key to be able to sell a HDTV that can get guide data and all the stations without adding any other hardware, (inside the TV like a cable card or any cable co box) you would just register your new HDTV (or TiVo) with the MSO and you would have all the stations your paying for.
     
  17. Nov 14, 2015 #957 of 2036
    trip1eX

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    Yep wouldn't have to be in the basement I suppose. It could be next to your tv like a set top box.

    Still you're looking at overkill for a huge number of customers.

    And knowing how long stuff like this takes to see the light of day when entrenched companies and the government are involved, it seems like the whole paradigm of how we watch tv would change by the time any of this would happen. On-demand streaming would be much more of a thing.
     
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  18. Nov 14, 2015 #958 of 2036
    trip1eX

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    Not quite. It is a word.
     
  19. Nov 14, 2015 #959 of 2036
    HarperVision

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    I'm not sure I like Bernie, but I like this.

    Bernie Sanders joins Congressional battle against '$20 billion' pay-TV set-top market

    Does anyone know an app that has a "recordable output"?
     
  20. Nov 14, 2015 #960 of 2036
    tarheelblue32

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    I think I remember back in one of the DSTAC meetings someone asked that question and I think someone else on the committee gave them one example of an app that had a recordable output, but I think they said that the recordings could only be accessed from the same app that recorded them. I don't remember what the specific app was.
     

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