Future of CableCARD by EDITOR

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  1. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Maybe the ad server was down.

    I hate using those apps because when the commercials do work they tend to play the same ones over and over
     
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    I agree. The only good thing is that you can see when one is coming up and decide what kind of break you want to take.
     
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    Boy you got that right, while I was waiting on a replacement Roamio I used the Roku to watch some stuff using Discovery's app. Something went haywire on their end because EVERY freaking break resulted in 6 copies of the same stupid Chevy ad being shown.

    And this is an improvement? This is our streaming future vs. Tivo? UGH.
     
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    The inside scoop (see this forum thread, particularly posts from a leaker named Branch) seems to be that QAM-based Verizon FiOS TV, and the current Quantum STBs that support it, aren't going away any time soon. Assuming that Verizon likes what they see in the new IPTV-based service and the new STBs and ONTs that will support it, perhaps they'll deprecate QAM-based TV in a couple years, meaning that no new subscribers will be given the option for hardware that supports QAM TV, although it would seem to me that they would need some kind of waiver from the FCC (under current law, at least) for that to happen.

    As for those subscribers who already had QAM TV service by that point (including those using TiVos), well, I wouldn't imagine that Verizon would be in a huge rush to force them all to convert over to IPTV. At some point in the future, yes, one would imagine that Verizon would want to migrate all their TV subs over to the newer platform, as they see a number of benefits to IPTV (the ability to support more channels with better PQ, including UHD 4K; cheaper, smaller STB hardware; a more flexible software platform that can be upgraded and improved quicker and easier). But unlike cable companies (e.g. Comcast), Verizon isn't incentivized to completely shut down QAM TV and convert all subs over to IPTV in order to reclaim bandwidth for internet usage since FiOS uses separate wavelengths in the fiber for IP and QAM traffic. So again, I'm not sure that Verizon will be in as big of a rush as Comcast to migrate all their TV subs over to IPTV, which is a costly endeavor since it means replacing a ton of existing STBs out in the field.

    My guess is that if you're currently using a TiVo with Verizon FiOS, you'll be able to keep using it for several more years, so long as you maintain continuous service at the same address. But a lot of those TiVo users will be slowly lured over to the new IPTV service (using Verizon's own STBs) so that they can access a growing number of UHD HDR channels and a range of on-demand content that will never be accessible through their TiVos.
     
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  6. Dan203

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    I think most of us on cable are in a similar boat. Other cable companies, especially Comcast, are likely to follow this same path. So most of us will be safe for now, but with no future prospects for new units the writing is on the wall and we'll all eventually have to dump our TiVos for something else. It's kind of sad to know the end is approaching and there is nothing we can do about it. :(
     
  7. jmbach

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    Any reason TiVo could not modify the existing units to support IPTV?
     
  8. Dan203

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    There is no open standard for them to do so. So unless the FCC forces the MSOs to adopt one or the MSOs cooperate with TiVo willingly, neither of which is likely, there is nothing they can do.

    Once cable goes IP the only thing TiVo will be able to record without a specific MSO deal is going to be OTA.
     
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    The cable companies are unwilling to share the necessary documentation, encryption keys, etc. with third parties. There's no incentive for them to do so. The only reason we have CableCard for QAM is that the Telecommunications Act of 1996 required that third-party devices be allowed to access "multichannel video programming" and the FCC enforced that by mandating the use of CableCard. I see no chance of anything similar happening anytime soon for IPTV.
     
  10. Dan203

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    Luckily with IPTV we have more options. There are a half dozen or so "skinny bundle" services available right now, and more slated to come online in the near future. The only issue we have there is that in most areas the cable company is the only viable provider for internet service and they're likely to use slimy tactics like caps, throttling, etc... to dissuade people from using those other services.
     
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    The Comcast Roku app notwithstanding?
     
  12. Dan203

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    That runs on the Roku, but is written and maintained by Comcast. So they have completely control over the encryption, etc... The Roku is just the platform it's running on.

    One of the big fights at the CableCARD replacement thing a few years ago was apps vs API. The MSOs all wanted apps because it allowed them to control the complete "user experience". Which means regardless of the hardware everyone would still have to use their UI, be subject to their ads, their upsell for VOD, etc... The technology companies like TiVo, Google, etc... wanted an API that would allow them access to the content from within their own UIs. Even before the election the Obama appointed FCC chair was leaning toward the apps approach. Even though it would completely wipe out all competition in the way of features, usability, etc... and basically just make the 3rd party hardware a dumb box.
     
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    Comcast didn't share anything, they built a Roku app. They did not give Roku access to their service or any control over how the service is controlled or viewed.

    For IPTV to work on a TiVo like QAM cable does the IPTV provider would have to give TiVo unrestricted access to their service and allow TiVo to control the streams and how the IPTV service works and looks on TiVos.
     
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    Who developed and owns the various streaming apps currently on a TiVo?
     
  15. Dan203

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    The services they're for.

    TiVo did provide assistance to the developers in some cases, like the Comcast VOD app, but all the of the recent ones were developed for the generic HTML5 platform and simply run on TiVo using the Opera browser.
     
  16. Bigg

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    Verizon's QAM will be running for at least 10 years. They hate spending much money on FiOS, and they have no bandwidth incentive to shut QAM down. The only issue is that the channel lineup may end up frozen in time, but with the cable TV market the way it is, that may not matter much. My guess is that they install CableCard users on QAM, but don't issue new QAM-based equipment themselves.
     

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