For the folks hearing about what appear to be almost irrational and illegal business practices by Frontier, I understand as it would strain credibility for most folks. However, for whatever reasons, Frontier, who has been on the verge of bankruptcy since purchasing some of Verizon's assets a few years back, seems to have a desperate mode of operation. They seem to continue to do things which astonish many folks, like charging you $10 a month for their router...you don't have to use their router or even have one in your home...you still get to pay the $10 charge. There has been some recent legislation to possibly reverse this, but my guess is that they will continue to charge anyone who doesn't go through a formal complaint process with the FCC or whoever. In a similar manner, over time they have initially refused to allow the rental of a cable card for new service, CSRs nor line SCSRs had the ability to add them via their computers, only a formal FCC complaint would get this "fixed" with some lame excuse. This latest variation, in which you cannot get TV service without paying for the DVR and "service" is just the latest variation of their irrational behavior...BTW, this is a clear violation of the FCC's cable card rules but apparently if you don't go through with the FCC complaint you will continue to pay anyway....apparently enough folks don't want this hassle and just eat it. By the way, if and when they get to file bankruptcy, it will be to "reorganize" their debt, they have been trying to sell various of their assets but without too much success, except for a few states in the northwest.