Fringe - "The Same Old Story" - 9/16/08

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by MickeS, Sep 17, 2008.

  1. dcheesi

    dcheesi ...I'm not.

    Apr 6, 2001
    MD, USA


  2. tewcewl

    tewcewl New Member

    Dec 18, 2004
    Chicago, IL
    I had surmised it was because they needed the pituitary gland as fresh as possible, so they waited until the last possible moment for extraction.

    I don't get all the Anna Torv haters out there. I think she looks very attractive and not odd looking at all.
  3. dswallow

    dswallow Save the ModeratŠ¾r TCF Club

    Dec 3, 2000
    Well, if the images were "frozen" in the optic nerve, one probably needs to take a picture of the optic nerve to retrieve them.
  4. MickeS

    MickeS Well-Known Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    To me, it was also overkill. The episode already had the mystery with the rapid aging, and the "fringe science" involved with that. There was absolutely NO need storywise to go beyond regular detective work to find the killer to introduce this fantastic camera. It just pushed the episode from "not believable but enjoyable" to "not believable and frankly ridiculous".
  5. danterner

    danterner Not it!

    Mar 4, 2005
    Greenacres, FL


    Maybe Buffy wasn't the best example. I have no problem with a character pulling out a magical scythe to save the day, provided the existence of the scythe (or, at least, clues suggesting that something like it might exist) was established earlier. Whether a show is pure fantasy or straight procedural, a good storyteller will lay the foundation to support the twists and turns of the plot. Want to create a world where there exist cameras the can photograph electrical impulses? I have no problem with that. Whip out the camera/scythe as the solution to a problem manufactured in that same episode? That gives me more pause, because it is weaker storytelling.
  6. aintnosin

    aintnosin [Spoiler]

    Jun 25, 2003
    Lake Forest, CA
    My problem was that Massive Dynamic just happened to have the camera handy. Is MD going to be the magic hat from which this series pulls all of its rabbits?
  7. Church AV Guy

    Church AV Guy Active Member

    Jan 19, 2005
    high desert...
    That I could have accepted, but the camera was very clearly taking pictures of the retina of the eyeball by strobing light into the eyel and seeing what was reflected. Remember the "doctor" said the retina retained the last images seen. They did not need to remove the eyeball from the socket just to get a good reflection of the retina. I don't recall them having any electrical probe into the optic nerve, just a little eyeball stand.
  8. madscientist

    madscientist Deregistered Snoozer

    Nov 12, 2003
    Lexington, MA
    I can usually live with things just fine: I have no problem with almost anything that happened because (and here I agree with Rob) I can suspend disbelief enough to allow for inventions that defy scientific fact as we know it today. As the old saying goes, any sufficiently advanced technology etc. etc. So, the super-fancy camera: OK. The need to extract the eyeball: OK (hey, we don't know how the super-fancy camera works; why not?). The massive increase in mass: OK (once you posit super-rapid aging then who knows?)

    I still say, though, that muscle relaxants that preserve electrical current is total BS! I mean, there's nothing new or "super-science" about muscle relaxants: we know what they are and how they work. Ditto for the way the optic nerve works. That is simple, unadulterated crap. Now, if they'd left that out and just said "oooh, special techno-camera that takes pictures of the last thing seen by the eye" I'd have said fine. If they'd said "oooh, here's a super-secret formula I was working on 20 years ago that can allow a special techno-camera to take pictures of the last thing seen by the eye", I'd have said great, bring it on!

    But, muscle relaxants that preserve electricity in the optic nerve? Nuh-uh. Not. Sorry.

    That is not pseudo-science. That's just lame, and it's too much to ask (of me :)).
  9. aus1ander

    aus1ander New Member

    Sep 17, 2004
    I'm a doctor and I (surprisingly) find this show entertaining. I was less annoyed with the retinal camera than I was watching them shock the girl in asystole (for those of you non-medical people, that never works and is not in the protocol we follow in resuscitation for that reason). If you're going to have a pseudo-science/medical show, at least get the basic facts right.

    With that said, I still think Fringe has a lot of potential... it has that "Lost" feel to it. I think if they are able to develop the story over the next couple of episodes and are able to connect the episodes together (instead of just presenting a new "puzzle" each week), this could be another huge success like Lost.
  10. balboa dave

    balboa dave well rounded

    Jan 19, 2004
    I had a completely different take on the eyeball image camera scene. I saw it as being directly inspired by a Philip K. Dick short story I read as a kid, and that made me very happy. Sadly, I have long since forgot the title.
  11. LlamaLarry

    LlamaLarry Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Apr 30, 2003
    What were the words on the One Way sign, at the return from commercial break when the lead went to Massive Dynamic? Wasn't "One Way". Something "Videos"?
  12. Bierboy

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

    Jun 12, 2004
    Fishers, IN
    Agreed -- I was meh for the first ep and this one just continued. The FOTW formula wears thin, and when it wears thin after two eps that's a bad sign. The SP remains, but it's falling in my viewing priorities (which means it may be weeks before I watch a recorded ep).

    I may keep my SP for just that reason!

    Insert local 10-second whatever....that's what happened here.
  13. Bierboy

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

    Jun 12, 2004
    Fishers, IN
    Wow....I really have to strongly disagree here. The first two eps of Fringe don't come close to touching the first two eps of Lost.
  14. WO312

    WO312 Well-Known Member

    Jan 24, 2003
    Well, as long as we're talking about FRINGE science, there IS an explanation. Einstein proved back in 1905 that energy can be converted into mass, and mass into energy. So, somehow, there was an energy source that provided the mass of the baby turning onto a man. :)

    The entire mass of the universe we see today was nothing but energy at the instant of the big bang.

    Conservation of mass only applies to the everyday world that we experience. It applies to a closed system. So obviously Fringe is operating in an open system. And not in the everyday world that we experience. :)

    P.S. The only reason I know this is I just watched a fantastic Nova show on Einstein, airing this week, and read some of the material at the PBS website. A 2 hour dramatization of the lead-up to and results of Einstein's famous equation. Worth watching.
  15. LlamaLarry

    LlamaLarry Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Apr 30, 2003
    A nice screen cap here:

    There may be spoilers in that thread, and on that site, so be careful. The link is to the specific post with the cap.
  16. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    But do you have any idea how much energy it would take to make that much mass?

    (Hint: A nuclear bomb is a very inefficient way of transforming mass into energy.)
  17. catcard

    catcard MoxiDVR

    Mar 2, 2001

    Exactly! I have not seen anywhere that this show is trying to be any type of documentary program - this is purely fictional and should be viewed as such. Some of you guys think waaaay too much! Relax and enjoy!
  18. JakeyB

    JakeyB Member

    Apr 24, 2003
    So I was watching an episode of Homicide: Life on the Street season 6. Bayless (I think), told a suspect that they had a way of viewing the last thing a person saw before dying. I found it amusing that I happened to see both in the same week :)
  19. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

    Apr 16, 2003
    You mean kind of like the totally advance bionic arm they showed in the pilot that is worn by the woman who runs Massive Dynamic? Seems they did exactly what you wanted them to, and you're completely overlooking it.
  20. WO312

    WO312 Well-Known Member

    Jan 24, 2003
    Yep, hence the smiley.

    One of the factoids on the PBS website said that a small paper clip has the equivalent energy of a small atomic bomb (18 kilotons). And that a small house probably has enough potential energy to split the earth in half. As I said, this is FRINGE science. :):)

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