Fringe - Neither Here Nor There **Spoilers**

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by matt@thehickmans, Sep 23, 2011.

  1. photoshopgrl

    photoshopgrl Nerd Fashionista TCF Club

    Nov 22, 2008
    Boring Ohio
    I'm just wondering how many episodes we are going to go through before Peter is back. I didn't like the end of last season and I didn't like the beginning of this season. I didn't even start out liking his character but now it's just not Fringe without him and Walter interacting together. Although I do enjoy looking at Seth Gabel more than Josh Jackson so I guess there's that. :D
  2. Bierboy

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

    Jun 12, 2004
    Fishers, IN
    I thought that Walter (in bed near the end of this ep seeing Peter in his TV) looked very much like Waternate, especially because of his hair. Anybody else notice this?
  3. dagojr

    dagojr June

    Jan 9, 2004
    I thought the same.
  4. tgrim1

    tgrim1 New Member

    Sep 11, 2006
    I wonder if he still gets paid as a main character?
  5. photoshopgrl

    photoshopgrl Nerd Fashionista TCF Club

    Nov 22, 2008
    Boring Ohio
    I'm sure he does. He was technically in the episode so he was on set filming like everyone else, just with less scenes and no speaking. I don't see them saying "hey we'll pay you less while we screw around with the storyline a bit, is that cool?"
  6. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    Yeah, the only way it would be something different is if they worked out a deal where he wouldn't have to be around (i.e., be available for other work) in exchange for fewer episodes in his contract. Which might be something they'd do if he had a movie to shoot. But I suspect in this case we'll just be seeing a lot more of Ghostly Peter soon. And probably Real Peter sooner than later.
  7. Cearbhaill

    Cearbhaill Garden obsessed

    Aug 1, 2004
    My back yard
    Funny you should mention that but I feel the same way. I did not care for Peter Bishop initially and had some sort of extreme Joshua Jackson aversion going on. But this episode felt empty without him and I felt so bad for Walter- the lack of Peter really left a void in the shows dynamic.

    And I also love Seth Gabel.
    Actually, when I think about it I agree with you on most things here :D

    Did you miss Charlie as well?
    I did.
  8. cheesesteak

    cheesesteak Meh. TCF Club

    Jul 24, 2003
    15 mins...
    Walter: You need to examine her anus

    Astrid: WTF?
  9. matt@thehickmans

    matt@thehickmans Hemo_jr

    Jan 8, 2008
    Everything did not go exactly the same. A lot of things have changed. The other main characters are still alive, but changed. Walter is very skittish and fearful. Without Peter, Walter stays in the lab and does not go to crime scenes. He even sleeps in the same building as the lab. This may explain why he survived without Peter. Liv said something about not having a connection to the world.

    Olivia is a lot more wound up with more tunnel vision for any task at hand. She appears to lack any joy in life. She may have been subject to he father's physical abuse for much longer. She said she has a hole in her life. I wonder if she is as good an aunt to Ella as she was with Peter there..

    Astrid goes out to crime scenes to be the eyes, ears and hands of Walter. Astrid used to just run the lab for Walter and never went to crime scenes. She has a gun now.

    The lab, itself is different. It is more bare and utilitarian. There seem to be no flashing lights. This may be because Peter helped get the lab put together in the first place and bought stuff for it an Walter.

    The Observers are not known by the Fringe Division. The Observers interfered several times to save Peter, to make sure that Walter would be willing to risk Peter's life etc. so that Peter would get to the position that he would create the bridge. Without Peter in the picture, the Observers did not have a reason make enough waves to be noticed. And since they knew that their actions would be erased in the timeline with Peter, they didn't care so much about being noticed. They may also have been instrumental in seeing that the same people got to the bridge room at the critical point when Peter created the bridge as would be there without Peter in the picture.

    I would guess that 90% - 95% of the same cases came up without Peter. But we don't know if they were resolved the same way or not. All we know is that the main characters and their alternates wound up in the bridge room at the time they did when Peter existed.

    We don't know, for example, if the ZFT group was destroyed. We don't know how many people may have been killed by that plague from the episode "What Lies Below" before Walter figured out that volcanic ash was the key to defeating it.
  10. javabird

    javabird Well-Known Member

    Oct 12, 2006
    It looked like he decided not to use it -- at least not just yet...
  11. Polcamilla

    Polcamilla -b±√(b^2 - 4ac)/2a

    Nov 7, 2001're right. Where is the cow?!?!
  12. cmontyburns

    cmontyburns Excellent.

    Nov 14, 2001
    Houston, TX
    She was still there.
  13. Worf

    Worf Well-Known Member

    Sep 15, 2000
    Hrm, now you remind me. I should go through the first episode of Fringe again and see if it matches up with Olivia's recall of it during this episode.

    Perhaps that's how we're going to find out how previous cases had turned out, and perhaps the differences between "our" recollection and how they recall it. Of course, I guess the writers would do a shoutout for those who do, as well...
  14. photoshopgrl

    photoshopgrl Nerd Fashionista TCF Club

    Nov 22, 2008
    Boring Ohio
    Yes!!! But then I've been a huge Kirk Acevedo fan since OZ. I really hope we keep going back and forth from each universe just for Charlie and altLincoln, if nothing else.
  15. loubob57

    loubob57 Cancer sucks! TCF Club

    Mar 19, 2001
    Bedford, TX
    You had me wondering for a minute, but yes, Gene the cow was still there.
  16. matt@thehickmans

    matt@thehickmans Hemo_jr

    Jan 8, 2008
    For one thing, Walter was able to save John Scott's life when he went translucent. (John Scott died in a car crash) In this timeline, without Peter, he was not saved by Walter.

    So, what if the chemicals that John Scott was exposed to was intended as part of a plan to develop shapeshifters? And what if, without Peter, Fringe Division was unable to crack the case?

    So this case may be directly related to the pilot. Perhaps the conspiracy (ZFT?) survived and was only mildly discomforted by Fringe Division. They were able to use these chemicals to develop their own shape-shifters. And now Fringe Division is up against the same foes they defeated in season one?
  17. Honora

    Honora Member

    Oct 16, 2006
    I guess you guys didn't see the Prime Suspect pilot. At least Charlie is still in law enforcement.
  18. photoshopgrl

    photoshopgrl Nerd Fashionista TCF Club

    Nov 22, 2008
    Boring Ohio
    I haven't watched it yet but I did record it just for him. ;)
  19. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

    Apr 16, 2003
    Enjoyed the episode, but didn't pay enough attention to document the differences between Amber World and the previous version. I'm just glad to have the show back and looking forward to the next episode.

    I also hope they don't keep Peter away too long. That will get old very fast if they don't bring him back within 4-5 episodes.
  20. retrodog

    retrodog King Button Pusher

    Feb 7, 2002
    At the gun...
    Great show. Great season opener. I just got into this show during the third season so I've still got to go back and watch the first two seasons, which I have on DVD. Thanks to Walmart for having them on sale for $13 each. WIN!!!


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