Format new drive for old WD My DVR Expander?

Didn't your experience with the external teach you anything? Are you willing to lose shows again? Well, we would not recommend you use an external with your Tivo and rather to expand the internal to a much bigger drive. I went from a 500GB to 4TB internally about 5 years ago, its still chirping along.

Its also much more complicated to marry a generic drive to use externally.

You can also download your shows to the computer (KMTTG, PyTivo/Desktop, Tivo Desktop (no longer supported)), store on a NAS also. Its also better to store shows on a computer or NAS since you will most likely only lose portions of your videos instead of the entire drive as in a Tivo. (Better long term storage) If you want to save space, you can edit out the commercials (Windows use VideoReDo). When you want to watch on the TV, just re-load to the Tivo. If your Tivo runs v21/Hydra/TE4 (Tivo software), then this option is not possible, since computer -> Tivo is disabled. TE3/v20 still supports PC->Tivo function.

 

You will never get it to work automatically like it did before, even using the DVR Expander case. That capability was limited to a "whitelist" of nine specific 500GB and 1TB drives that haven't been made in a very long time. Also, WinMFS only works on Series 3 and earlier models.

Technically you could use MFS Tools 3.2 to marry almost any drive to your Roamio, but you would have to pull your existing internal drive and hook them both up to a computer. As @ThAbtO noted it would be a very tricky process and still subject to all the pitfalls inherent in using an external drive.

Since your recordings have already been lost you have a lot of choices for putting a much larger internal drive in it, depending on the size of your existing drive and what software it's running. TE3 will auto-format any drive up to 3TB, and you could use MFS Reformatter to go up to 8TB. The latest version of TE4 should auto-format any drive up to 14TB, although I don't know if that has been tested on a Roamio yet.

 

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I am using WD red drives in two of my Roamio boxes. I perform a low-level on them just to check for bad sectors. That takes over 12 hours. The TiVo finds it and installs the latest software from your box and then checks for updates (none in two years). I have no experience with WD Purple, Bolt or Edge. I do have TE4 on one Roamio. Just for fun and to support a Mini VOX for 4k. TE4 will only install if you ask for it, and you get two "are you sure?" questions. There is a lot of info posted on drives. Do some reading. Or buy a used 3TB Roamio on eBay with a WD green in it. One without all-in should be cheap. Good luck.

 

What the other guys said. Buy a big hard disk (3T min and 6-10T is better) . WD red and purple drives have been good but avoid any that use SMR (shingled tracks). It is no longer enough to just get any WD red drive. New WDx0EFAX drives are SMR in the 2-6T range but WDx0EFRX are not SMR. Also, 5400 RPM is plenty; 7200 just loads the power supply and makes the box run hotter.

You can often get good hard drive buys on eBay if you know the exact model number and are patient; if bidding goes too high wait for the another one to be listed. Hard drives are getting bigger but the largest have premium prices; 6-8T drives are often reasonable. All of the used and "manufacturer refurbished" hard drives I bought on eBay were good.

Buy a dual docking station (mine is a Sabrent) unless you have a spare computer with CD reader and SATA cables. Either way, follow these instructions to create a boot CD which will prepare the new hard drive and transfer everything from the old internal TiVo drive to the new hard drive. Just be sure you type all the instructions EXACTLY as shown and keep track of where you are. Some steps are fast but copying everything to the new HD will take hours. It helps to know Linux (better understand what's happening) but not necessary.

 

I recently came across this Ars Technica article about the new WD 18TB drives. A few pages down is a table explaining WD's color scheme and includes information about which are CMR and which may be SMR.

 

Just a new comment on available 3.5" drives:
WD Reds USED to be one of the main choices, but then they started secretly screwing customers by secretly changing them to SMR drives. Just yesterday I was on their web site doing a little research for expanding my NAS, and it looks like all the Red PMR drives are now gone from there, but they now list Red Plus along with Red Pro?

The ONLY current WD drive I would trust now for a TiVo is the purple series, and I am not very confident about them! I think I'm done with WD branded drives.

My new go-to drive for TiVo expansion may be the Seagate IronWolf drives. But note: I have NOT yet used one of these in a TiVo; this info is just from what I am seeing from Seagate and with my NAS. Seagate has publicly pledged that NO IronWolf drives will every be SMR. And in my NAS, I have 3 WD drives and one IronWolf drive, and the IronWolf is ALWAYS 10 degrees cooler than the three WD drives in the same box. The IronWolf 3 TB and 4 TB drives are both 5400 RPM drives and seem ideal for use in a TiVo.

I know that some people are going to the bigger drives (8 TB+) with TiVos, but I never will - I am just not willing to risk that many recordings in one poor quality TiVo box and a now terrible and untrustworthy company.

 

Hi everyone. I was having some issues with freezing in my Roamio Pro. After reading all the posts, I bought a new hard drive on amazon. I couldn't find the "Red 3TB" that so many recommended, so I got a 4TB Red. I figured the Tivo box would format it and I didn't even care whether it would only show 3TB. We really never neared capacity while recording shows. The installation went smooth but when I boot with the new drive the box gets stuck on the very first screen, with the gray background and the Tivo logo, even before the "Starting up" screen in blue. No matter how long I left it, it never booted. IF I connect the older drive, which works perfect except for the occasional frame freeze, it boots perfect. I did check the consumption of both drives and I see no reason why it would run one and not another, so I am looking for some advice. I uploaded the pictures of the Green (original) drive and the Red (New Drive), as well as my software version, which is: 21.10.1.v8-840-6-840. Any help is appreciated!



UPDATE: After reading another post by Scott9mm, from yesterday, looks like the drive might not be compatible. He mentions that "WD red and purple drives have been good but avoid any that use SMR (shingled tracks). It is no longer enough to just get any WD red drive. New WDx0EFAX drives are SMR in the 2-6T range but WDx0EFRX are not SMR". I grabbed an old 1TB drive from the drawer, installed it and it formatted all fine, so I need to find a drive that works now. IF anyone has gotten a 3TB lately from Amazon that is working with no issues, I would appreciate if you could share the model number or a link Thank you!

 

The WD Red Pro line continues unaffected.
The WD Red Plus line is simply all WD Red drives that weren't converted to SMR. All they did was rename the survivors to include the word Plus. Plus drives are by definition now non-SMR. *
The WD Red line (no Pro/Plus), is all SMR.

* In many cases, the non-SMR drives were just renamed/recatagorized without even changing their part number.

The renaming is actually a good thing, and NAS's only including Plus's and Pros is a good thing. That they only did it because they got caught being sketchy, not so much a good thing.

Note: This is all before Kerfluffle #2, RPM boogaloo...

 

Thank you so much for taking the time to reply!

 

The Red Pro are 7200 RPM. Produces more heat.

This is the problem type of drive, ending in EFAX. You should try and return it. The EFRX is the ideal model, as well as PURX, PURZ.

 

You know you can Backup your OnePasses and Channels list with KMTTG that makes setup of the new drive pretty simple?

-KP

 

I am returning the drive tomorrow and already ordered the WD30EFRX. I am not familiar with KMTTG but will read into tonight. Thanks to all of you for your time and advice!

 

Here is what I am seeing right now on Amazon, WD Red Plus:

https://www.amazon.com/Red-12TB-Int...&keywords=red+plus&qid=1601098983&sr=8-2&th=1

1TB-6TB models end in EFRX, but 8Tb-14TB ends in EFAX. It also say CMR.

 

How much?

 

That’s exactly the one that I purchased! Thank you so much. It arrives today. I expect to not have any more issues now. Thank you!

 

The cablecard info is stored on the hard drive, so now you must call the cableCo CS and get them to unpair the card, then pair it again.

Optimum (formerly Cablevision)

• Support: 1-866-670-0855
• Support Site

 

When I changed the HD in my Roamio Plus a couple of years ago the cable card continued to work fine. Does the Plus handle the CC differently than the Roamio? Would being on Comcast make a difference?