For All Mankind Apple TV + SPOILERS

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    Bierboy

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    Extended for a third season...before the second airs.
     
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    jlb

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    Wondering if they are worried about losing subs beyond the extended trials.
     
  3. Saturn_V

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    T Minus 33 days and counting.
     
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    Oh, sweet, I really enjoyed Season 1, looking forward to this.
     
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    I'm really curious where they will go with this show, but I'm in.
     
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    To the moon, silly.
     
  7. Steveknj

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    Been there done that! :)
     
  8. jlb

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    Trailer looks good! I really enjoyed season 1. I Think 2 will be even better!
     
  9. kaszeta

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    Yeah, Season 1 was more hit than miss to me (the last two episodes were a departure from my normal level of sustainable disbelief).

    I'm looking forward to Season 2, and I hope that like Season 1 they use this as another opportunity to unearth some obscure Apollo and Shuttle-era discarded designs.

    Hope everyone here saw the post-credits scene at the end of Season 1.
     
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    I hope S2 has a lot less melodrama, but I get that some of it was to establish the characters.
     
  11. kaszeta

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    Depends on what you are talking about for melodrama. For the ground-based stuff, I'll actually accept some of the melodrama, since a lot of that was surprisingly real. For real history, read Deke! which covers a lot of the random Astronaut Office drama.

    For the space-based drama? Yeah, I'm with you.
     
  12. Saturn_V

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    More space drama, less human drama. Overabundant human drama is why The First and Away didn't survive past their first seasons. Not saying I want moon-buggy fights like Ad Astra.

    But the Apollo 24 / 25 mishap from last season was a pretty good space-drama to cap the season.
     
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    Yeah, I didn't make it past E4 of Away for that reason. This was much better, and the last 3 or so episodes of this series was top notch. It's the adultery stuff and the kids getting in trouble stuff I could have done without. Has anyone explained why the changed the name of some astronauts and kept others? Gordo Cooper's name has been changed for example. Was that for legal reasons?
     
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    I don't think Gordon Stevens is meant to be a drop-in replacement for Gordon Cooper. Cooper's actual NASA career never advanced past Gemini. Plus Gordo Stevens doesn't have Mercury program swagger. I don't think Ed Baldwin is a drop-in for RL astronauts either.

    It is alternative history, and it needs some non-fictional characters for the buy-in.
     
  15. Steveknj

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    I assumed it was because Cooper was called "Gordo" just like Stevens is. I also think there was some talk (at least in the NatGeo version of The Right Stuff") about his wife wanting to be a pilot or astronaut (If forget which), so I think they just subbed the name. Obviously the path he took is different than what Cooper did, because as you say, it's fictional. I also assumed, maybe wrongly, that Ed Baldwin was a substitute for Ed White, who died in Apollo1. But again, fictionalized. I don't think having a "Gordo" as one of the astronauts was coincidental. But you could be right and it's completely a fictional character.
     
  16. Saturn_V

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    The Apollo 1 fire is mentioned in FAM. They didn't have the Apollo 13 explosion though, and Apollo 14 on dovetail from the actual historical missions.

    Molly Cobb is based on a real person. Geraldyn M. Cobb
     
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    Yeah, like any sort of "alternative history" work, they've mostly replaced main characters with close analogs, I think s

    Only "main" character that's actually a real historical figure is Deke Slayton.

    The only semi-major characters I see that seem to be real people were Kranz and Von Braun, and both of them differ modestly from their real-world counterparts.

    All sorts of other divergences as well.
     
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    Obviously Kranz and Von Braun and Deke were real people. And there were always questions about Von Braun's Nazi past. As I said, I'm pretty sure there's a connection between Stevens and Cooper, otherwise they could have gone with a completely different name so there is no confusion. I figure because of how they portrayed Gordo Stevens, they changed the name to avoid possible lawsuits. And they did mention some other real astronauts. I remember them talking about Borman and Lovell for example.
     
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    I should have finished my thought up there. They replace major characters with analogs just to give them a bit of freedom to not be too tied to the actual person.

    So I think you are right. Gordo's nominally a replacement for Gordon Cooper; their backgrounds are similar, just that Gordo in FAM seems to have stayed in NASA's good graces a bit longer. This actually makes a bit of sense if something happened in this universe to make Apollo 10's prime crew unavailable; Gordon Cooper was on the Apollo 10 backup crew, along with Don Eisele, another astronaut not terribly liked by Deke.
     
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    For what it's worth, I do like, aside from a few people being replaced by similar characters, trying to figure out what the nominal departure point between real history and FAM.

    I'm guessing that it's January 1966, when Sergei Korolev died during botched surgery. That severely hobbled the Soviet rocket program; perhaps if Korolev lived the N1 program would have been successful, and they would have had enough heavy lift capability to convert their Zond flybys of the Moon into full Soyuz-7K-LOK flights and potentially do a landing.

    Although that's probably the point where the NASA logos in FAM got mirror-imaged, too[1]


    [1] Upon seeing the first trailer for FAM, my friend Allie the spacesuit engineer immediately said "the logo's backward. Wonder if that was intentional"
     

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