For All Mankind Apple TV + SPOILERS

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  1. Apr 3, 2021 #281 of 324
    PJO1966

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    It was definitely Ed she was sleeping with.
     
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    Rob Helmerichs

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    Yeah, the kid got her all hot and bothered, and Ed reaped the benefits. :D
     
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    wprager

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    My wife was thoroughly disgusted (perhaps too strong a word, perhaps not) by that whole thing -- she definitely kissed him back for a while.
     
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    vertigo235

    vertigo235 Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    She did indeed and she knew where that whole thing was going too.
     
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    cmontyburns

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    Well, I gotta eat crow. I was dead wrong. I’m really disappointed they went there.
     
  6. Apr 3, 2021 #286 of 324
    PJO1966

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    IMO they weren't exactly subtle that that's where they were going.
     
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    Steveknj

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    I am too. But not surprised by it. This is a pretty good series, but could be much better if they cut the unnecessary melodrama out of it. There was absolutely no reason they needed to go there.
     
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    Saturn_V

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    Even the episode blurb was pretty obvious:

    For All Mankind Season 2, Episode 7 "Don't Be Cruel"
    "Ellen is challenged by her new role. Margo's allegiances are put to the test. Karen explores new opportunities- personally and professionally"

    The scene didn't bother me that much- but the "after-party" Karen and Ed had kinda did.
     
  9. TriBruin

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    It sounds like, in this universe, the Challenger accident never happened as they caught the faulty O-Ring issue ahead of time.
     
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  10. Saturn_V

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    It's also revealed (in credits) that the Russian scientist that Dani spoke to in Star City was Sergei Korolov. (note the spelling- instead of Sergei Korolev) Which is the show explaining why Russians beat the US to the moon. Korolev died in '66 in RL timeline.
     
  11. Bierboy

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    Give it some time; I have no doubt this isn't the end of it.

    Most definitely...there was no doubt about that.
     
  12. trainman

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    Since the show is still in 1983, and the Challenger explosion in our timeline was January 1986, I'd phrase this as "the Challenger accident is never going to happen (at least, not due to a faulty O-ring)."
     
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  13. kaszeta

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    And Buran stole a lot more technology than in our timeline. The real Buran didn't use solid rocket motors.

    And Buran is about 5-6 years ago in the show timeline, too.
     
  14. trainman

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    And now we see that "Jeopardy!" with Alex Trebek started (at least) a year earlier than it did in our timeline! :eek:
     
  15. cmontyburns

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    *** SPOILERS FOR S02E08 "And Here's To You" START HERE ***

    Oh, Karen.

    I listen to a podcast that does weekly episode discussions. After last week, when Karen kissed Danny, they made the point that there is a difference between a show having the confidence to let its characters make bad decisions, and the show itself making a bad decision. This show is one that has been so firmly in control of its characterization that the many bad choices the characters have made along the way have nearly always felt like (and proved to be) the former. The podcast hosts felt like this one one of the first cases where, at best, we couldn't be sure, but it sure felt like the latter. I felt it was such an obvious bad move for the show that I refused to interpret the obvious signs leading up to it to be what they were. Surely they weren't going to go there. It's a bad decision!

    The show now having gone to the obvious next step, I still am in the camp of thinking this was a bad dramatic decision. We still have two episodes to learn why the show went there, but I can't see any payoff that will justify this method of getting there. It's not her having an affair, and it's not her having an affair with, effectively, a kid. It's her having an affair with her dead son's best friend! It is so uncomfortable that I just don't it being worth having done, no matter where it goes. Find some other way to get there.

    That's too bad, because I really liked the rest of the episode. The scene with Tracy and Gordo smoking was gold. "Catch me if you can," Tracy says. Awesome. Great character. And the rehabilitation of Gordo has been handled really well. I'm glad her told her everything. I wish he had taken down the photo of Danielle with her broken arm, though.

    Is Sally Ride going to quit?

    It was obvious Aleida was going to call Bill "peanut" after Margo told him that story. I liked their scene at his house and that the show took the time to turn him into more of an actual person with the context around it and his hurt over twenty years of ridicule for what was a sacrifice on his part.

    Who thinks Ellen is actually going to quit NASA? I'm guessing she is going to come out and let the chips fall where they may. The show has been good about acknowledging racism, misogyny, etc., and then letting its characters break those barriers.

    Poignant scene with Molly in the jet, coming as close to the stars as she ever will again. Also badass. Another great character.

    And all that without mentioning awkward Margo flirting, and shots fired on the moon!
     
  16. Rob Helmerichs

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    Kinda stupid shots fired on the moon! But as you say earlier, the characters making bad decisions. But whose bad decision? The jarheads, or the Washington bureaucrats who sent them there? It's what happens when you send the military to do diplomats' jobs...when you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

    (It's also what happens when you're smart enough to bring along English language cheat sheets...and dumb enough to keep them in storage crates.)

    You'd think both sides would have been smart enough to send people for their Cold War confrontation on the Moon who spoke the other's language. Well, no, actually, you wouldn't necessarily think that...
     
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    I just want to complain about how useless the missiles on Pathfinder are. Just a 100nm range? They’d only only work for things in the same orbit as Pathfinder. And if you blow up something in the same orbit, congratulations, you’re now in orbit with a bunch of debris.

    It would make much more sense to have a ground-based system. In real life, the US started testing an anti-satellite missile that could be launched from an F-15 in 1984. Something like that would be so much more flexible than arming Pathfinder.
     
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    100nm? Congratulations, you just blew yourself up.

    Not a fan with the Karen/Danny hook up. Why??!

    The bureaucrats who sent marines with guns to the moon also should have made it damn clear that you don't fire unless you are fired on. Bring enough so that you have numbers and use that as deterrent. With just 3 marines and 2 "reds" they only had a very simple majority -- that said, only one guy was reaching, so it was still 3 on maybe 1. They should have held back, weapons drawn, separate for positional advantage and wait until the danger is clear and present.

    Also, did they not have a sargeant or someone in command with them?
     
  19. Win Joy Jr

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    You heard me at your house when I screamed at the TV?

    I am also getting the vibe that Dr. Ride is going to either quit the mission (doubtful) or if they get a directive to fire she may not comply and it appears that her position is needed to launch.

    I also appreciate the character development between Aledia and Bill. What she did was a crap response to not being heard, but I think she will find that Bill
    who will return to NASA
    will be more receptive to her inputs.

    I thought Molly was going to consider punching out at the edge of space, I think facing loss of flying then loss of her sight is something she will not be able to deal with for a lifetime. And she has to be thinking that this will not be the first health crisis she will face.

    I’m curious and have not seen a reference, but I am assuming that the shuttles remain in orbit during the various expeditions? Or are they just a cab dropping off one group, picking up the returning crew and heading home? If it’s the former, I am assuming they are shutting the orbiter down? And as far as cargo, I know they rely on SeaDragon for heavy cargo, but did they have to sacrifice cargo capacity of the orbiter to make Lunar Insertion? And, if I recall my Orion specifications correctly they are supposed to be returning faster than Apollo, so could a legacy shuttle actually survive a re-entry on the direct return from lunar orbit without somehow slowing to re-enter earth orbit then deorbiting?

    My wife told me last night to “Switch off ‘Work Mode’” while watching.
     
  20. ej42137

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    The marines were all aviators; they are officers and hence would outrank a sergeant. You are otherwise correct, they acted like careless idiots here.
     

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