FiOS restriction --- Transferring prohibited by the copyright holder.

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by Phantom Gremlin, Jun 10, 2010.

  1. xultar

    xultar New Member

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    I like to ask them if the channels are protected from transfer on their Cable DVR and see what they say. I want to know if they are doing it to TiVo customers only. If they say no they aren't protected on their Cable DVR then I ask them well you need to figure out what the problem is.

    IT lets them know that I'm about to play the unfair business protective practices card.
     
  2. richsadams

    richsadams Well-Known Member

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    I can see why they pulled their response...it made absolutely no sense. :rolleyes:
     
  3. cwerdna

    cwerdna Proud Tivolutionary

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    Frontier FiOS reps were at my apartment complex this afternoon to give demos and drum up business. There were 3 guys there and I spoke to two of them: a local manager, while a tech listened in.

    I explained to him the chronology of all this (apparent outage one month before switch to Frontier, resolution via pairing the cards, discovery of CP, weird gaps in the application of CP, then closure of those holes). I gave him examples of the weird holes (before NGC and NGCHD weren't protected yet Game Show Network had it, mentioned HDNET having CP, etc.)

    He was unaware of this issue and didn't know anything about CCI byte values. Same goes for the tech. He gave me his card so I can email him the http://www.tivo.com/copyprotection/ (which I showed him) and a summary of the issue.

    I mentioned to him the useless FiOS TV Twitter guy, our frustrating experiences w/customer service, and some people receiving a response from VZ along the lines of "we're doing it because we can". His reaction was along the lines of we're not going to get anything helpful from customer service...
     
  4. richsadams

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    Really?! :eek: Wow! First I'm a really shocked that Frontier is doing any sort of marketing, particular of FiOS after their scandalous (and failed) effort to gouge subscribers with a proposed 50% rate increase...and their subsequent "take a hike if you don't like it" attitude and then their ludicrous "we didn't realize this was going to be so hard" confession. Are they still charging a $500 installation fee?

    I'm really glad you took the time to talk to them but it doesn't surprise me that they didn't have a clue. I'm afraid the issues we're ticked off about are not on most of their customer's radar so our voices don't carry much weight. I also think any further attempts at rectifying their errors are probably for naught.

    What surprises me the most is that they haven't thrown in the towel completely. In less than eight months Frontier screwed up everything Verizon had built so badly that their CEO and President Maggie Wilderotter should demoted to cable line ditch digger IMO. :mad: Epic fail as they say. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

    But thanks for giving it the old college try! :up:
     
  5. cwerdna

    cwerdna Proud Tivolutionary

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    I was too. Every unit got a flyer attached near our door a few days ago that says stuff like "Welcome to the new Frontier... IPTV is here... free ROKU box for New Double Play (Internet and phone) ordered on the day of the event
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    Bring this flyer & your current intenet provider bill with you to the event to be eligible for the free ROKU... blah blah... You want fast high speed internet. FiOS is the answer."

    They were there today only from 3-6 pm... not exactly a great time or day and very short nortice.

    There's no mention of TV service (other than IPTV and ROKU) anywhere on the flyer. They had some TV and some box in the apartment office but I didn't bother to see what was up with that. I didn't ask about the $500 installation either since it doesn't apply to me. My main concern was the CCI byte crap.

    He did agree that it seemed odd Current TV would have CP. I mentioned to him Mark Cuban's stance on CP and how HDNet now has "protection". He acknowledged that it's not anything on the local side but probably something at the head end.

    I sent off the email to him a few hours ago. I'm not optimistic anything will change.
     
  6. richsadams

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    Ah, so they're promoting broadband with an "IPTV" hook. It wouldn't surprise me to see them sign a bunch of people up, give them a free Roku and then initiate a data cap. I can just hear it now, "Gee...we didn't understand how much data people would use." :rolleyes:

    Thanks for the additional info!
     
  7. cwerdna

    cwerdna Proud Tivolutionary

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    If anyone's curious, I uploaded the flyer but blurred out anything that would identify my apartment complex.
     

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  8. A@ron

    A@ron New Member

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    It's this darn issue that brings me out of TiVo hacking retirement... sheesh. I'm busy assembling all the needed materials and sourcing SST Proms/sockets and the tools needed to flash them. Already have the hot air reworking station set back up along with my architect lit magnifying glass, soldering equipment and my old PIII which I used for TiVo work prior. Shame all my old resources are pretty much all dead links.

    I hate not being able to MRV my shows!
     
  9. E94Allen

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    I noticed that in the flyer that says double play not triple play.
     
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    Phantom Gremlin

    Phantom Gremlin Active Member

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    Welcome to the New Frontier.

    I love that slogan. I don't love that company.
     
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    lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

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    PM me if you need some links to a good hacking reference for the S3 class machines. Otherwise, you can search the "other" TiVo forum for my handle and follow the link in my signature from any one of my posts.
     
  12. cwerdna

    cwerdna Proud Tivolutionary

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    Good luck to the folks still stuck w/Frontier's CP.

    I've moved back to CA and had to go w/Comcrap since FiOS isn't available here. I got my Tivo HD thru guided setup yesterday and it appears that many (most?) channels have CCI byte set to 0x00.

    So far, at first glance, the PQ isn't that terrible and it seems that Comcrap has some channels in HD that were never available in HD on FiOS like G4TV HD.
     
  13. richsadams

    richsadams Well-Known Member

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    Jealous...very jealous. :(
     

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