FiOS restriction --- Transferring prohibited by the copyright holder.

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  1. Jun 11, 2010 #21 of 813
    cwerdna

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    Thanks for reporting the problem to me. Sigh... it sucks that they seem clueless. :(

    Coming home, I can see these also got copy protection:
    Mad Money on CNBC (standard def), recorded 6/10/10 3 pm and 8 pm Pacific
    Attack of the Show (191 G4), 6/10/10 4 pm Pacific

    Surprisingly, this one didn't get CP:
    Ultimate Factories on SPEEDHD (583), 6/10/10 10 pm Pacific

    Don't know if they fixed the problem or if this is a fluke.
     
  2. Jun 11, 2010 #22 of 813
    richsadams

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    That's what I mean...the copy protection seems fairly random. I would bet we all have the same channels flagged, it's just that we don't see it until something is recorded. Comedy Central HD is copy protected, but MSNBC-HD next door isn't. CNN-HD is, HGTV-HD is, Showtime (all channels) isn't. Makes zero sense IMO. In other areas (that weren't hit by the outage) there's still zero copy protection like we have/had. All of which leads me to believe it's a mistake.

    I expect (hope) that they'll get enough complaints to take some action soon...hopefully before they bail and leave it to Frontier to deal with. :eek:
     
  3. Jun 11, 2010 #23 of 813
    cwerdna

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    Can you point me to a source of this?

    I re-skimmed the letter I got from Verizon/Frontier about the switchover but didn't see any mention of being able to cut out early that'd apply to me. The letter seemed more geared towards local and long distance POTS which I don't have anyway. I have no landline.
     
  4. Jun 11, 2010 #24 of 813
    richsadams

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    Here is an excerpt from a letter VZ sent out in November 2009:

    It's interesting to note that the link that they refer to on that web page is dead.

    More info from this Oregon PUC press release (http://www.puc.state.or.us/PUC/news/2010/2010005.shtml)

    An interesting part...

    That could be why we're seeing VZ dropping channels just about every day now. Of course I'm in Clackamas County...my representative must have called in sick that day. :mad:

    Here's some info from the WA State Regulators office: (http://wutc.wa.gov/webimage.nsf/0/BD97957114A730D4882577070078F3D2)

    Of note...

    Not sure if they were looking out for VZ TV customers in the same way.

    I'm sure there's more to be found, but it's getting to be past my bedtime! ;)
     
  5. Jun 11, 2010 #25 of 813
    rifleman69

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    If they leave the channel copy-protected, that's more than enough to fight the ETF if they choose to hit you with it. I'm month to month any way so it won't matter to me.
     
  6. Jun 11, 2010 #26 of 813
    MichaelK

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    you guys dont need to record somethign to see if it's flagged.

    go to the troubleshooting screens via the main menu (sorry not at my tivo to give you the way)- I think they are found both under cable card and under troubleshooting.

    Scroll through all the data and you will see a line about CCI byte. 0X02 is flagged for no transfer. 0x00 is do what you want.

    if you get to the diag screen you can check the channels you are currently on. Then hit the live tv button and flip to new channels you want to check then press left arrow and it will go back the diag screen. lather rinse repeat to check all the channels you want.

    It's a lot faster than setting up a recording, canceling it, and checking npl.
     
  7. Jun 11, 2010 #27 of 813
    MichaelK

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    maybe but i wouldn't bet on it. Frontier might also let people out to keep the bad press to a minimum. But I doubt any regulator without a tivo on a time warner system knows enough about content flags to include such a provision.

    the snip above says drop speeds or remove channels, says nothing about turning on copy protection.

    Hopefully for you folks though it's just a mistake.
     
  8. Jun 11, 2010 #28 of 813
    cwerdna

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    It's definitely not fixed. These are still receiving copy protection:
    Larry King Live - 6/11/10 2 am CNNI
    Star Trek: Enterprise eps - 6/11/10 7 am and 8 am HDNET
     
  9. Jun 11, 2010 #29 of 813
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    If I cant even transfer recordings then the Tivo's I have are useless.
     
  10. Jun 11, 2010 #30 of 813
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    Excellent info. Thanks for that! :up:
     
  11. Jun 11, 2010 #31 of 813
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    IS there a solution to this at DDB.com?
     
  12. Jun 11, 2010 #32 of 813
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    True enough, but VZ's own letter clearly states that if they discontinue providing service there would be no ET fee. Some local PUC's also added their own requirements before they approved the sale. Oregon made Frontier stipulate to 50 various requirements :eek: including the waiver of ET fees so I don't think that will be an issue.

    If this flag thing continues it will certainly drive a lot of us to reconsider our options.
     
  13. Jun 11, 2010 #33 of 813
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    Good post, Rich. One clarification about channel numbers, however. They even protected the Game Show Network (CH 184).
     
  14. Jun 11, 2010 #34 of 813
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    It's taking away something that I already had...that's specifically written into the VZ/OR (and I believe WA and IN too) contract. Easy waive of the ETF.
     
  15. Jun 11, 2010 #35 of 813
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    VERY IMPORTANT!!

    Hello ALL:

    PLEASE call TIVO and tell them what is going on. Rich and I have both been told by Verizon that this is a TIVO issue. In fact I pointed the Tech to this thread and he does not like what Rich was told! I was told that we should call in to TIVO and especially if you have a TIVO Premiere!

    They even said that if a copy flag is used, it is never spread across all of the stations as we now see! There must have been an issue with our CableCard failure that they did not resolve yet or was added when they forced our cards to work again! The more who call TIVO the better as I am sure they contact a higher level of people at Verizon than we can!
     
  16. Jun 11, 2010 #36 of 813
    richsadams

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    It appears our cable cards have been paired by VZ. I'm running an experiment right now to see if that's the case (more here).
     
  17. Jun 11, 2010 #37 of 813
    cwerdna

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    On a side note, I'm looking at http://www.tivo.com/copyprotection and it says
    Now that I think about it... during the 6/7 and 6/8 outage, I didn't check ALL channels (there are way too many) but I know I couldn't receive CNN (100) and CNBC (102).

    I'd receive that damned "In order to start cable service for this device, please contact your cable provider..." message on those channels and most ones above 100, other than high def version of broadcast channels (e.g. 504)

    Now, shows recorded on 100 CNN and 102 CNBC are getting copy protection. Hmmm...
     
  18. Jun 11, 2010 #38 of 813
    MPSAN

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    So if Verizon did not bind the card, as they never did before, all we could see was a 000. That is how I see it.
     
  19. Jun 11, 2010 #39 of 813
    cwerdna

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    Exactly...

    This is pure speculation on my part (call BS on me if I'm wrong):
    When I spent ~2 hours on the phone w/them due to the 6/7 and 6/8 outage on most channels >100, when I finally got all this resolved, the rep had to ask for 3 numbers off the please call your provider screen. Did they end up pairing the card to my TiVo HD at that point?

    If so, then I'm guessing that VZ turned on protection on a whole bunch of channels (like CNN, CNBC, HDNET, etc.). I couldn't get to them because, the card wasn't paired. If my call caused it to be paired, that's why I can see them again. :confused:
     
  20. Jun 11, 2010 #40 of 813
    rifleman69

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    So if they pair them, why did they not copy-protect every single channel that's not local? ESPNU was left on during the outage for me, same with National Geographic Channel...according to others, Showtime channels are not protected (and really if there's a case of stuff being protected, it would be for a premium add-on service like Showtime or HBO or Cinemax).
     

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