fios actiontec with orbi mesh

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by joy_division, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. joy_division

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    I think that was because it was all on the same network.
    I think the premiere is considered a separate network from the Roamio and Mini now because they are MoCA through the MI424-WR and the premiere is wireless through the Orbi. Just bad guesses probably, since the orbi shows all three devices attach to it, but maybe because the Orbi is plugged into on of the MI424-WR ethernet ports, who knows.
     
  2. krkaufman

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    This was in error.

    As stated previously, with your MI424-WR still acting as your primary router and with its MoCA LAN enabled, the Roamio Plus must NOT be connected via Ethernet if its MoCA interface is enabled — whether as a client *or* bridge. (And this will continue to apply if you switch routers and begin using a MoCA adapter as your main MoCA bridge.)
     
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  3. krkaufman

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    Ok, but still...
     
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    I see that you aren't going to pursue this option, so I'm responding just for completeness. You don't need the new gateway router - you can do the same thing with your current router. I started out with an even older router. I only mentioned the newer gateway to say that the my setup still works even though I replaced the older Verizon router with their newer gateway. I just had to repeat what I did on the original Verizon router each time it was replaced.

    I do understand how intimidating the instructions can seem. I read through them several times before I was able to break down the steps into smaller, understandable pieces.
     
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    But this is how it always was then. I used to be able to stream from the Premiere to the Mini before the orbi. I will check the IGMP Proxying once I make it the main router, but from what I read online, the default for the Orbi is for that setting to be disabled.

    When I got into the Tivo setup, it states that if I want to make it a Bridge and not a Client that I *must* have an ethernet connection to it and the coax to it. At least that is what my Roamio Plus says.
     
  6. krkaufman

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    Sure ... but you shouldn't be trying to configure the Roamio Plus as the MoCA bridge; your FiOS router (MI424-WR) is currently your MoCA bridge (i.e. the network bridge between your Ethernet LAN and your coax lines), and there must NOT be two devices bridging between Ethernet and coax.

    You must configure the Roamio Plus as a MoCA client ... and the process will instruct you to remove the Ethernet cable from the Plus if one is connected. Further, once the Roamio Plus is configured as a MoCA client, its Ethernet port must remain empty; it must not be connected to the router's Ethernet LAN, so long as MoCA in the Roamio Plus remains enabled.

    edit: p.s. Same as what was outlined earlier:
     
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  7. joy_division

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    Yup, everything is back the way it was before I made any change (with the exception of course of now having an Orbi in AP mode). Roamio is in MoCA client mode, no ethernet. It stream fine to Mini. Premiere not currently using Tivo Bridge, but may try that again. Thanks for being patient.
     
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  8. krkaufman

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    Ok, good, and that's where you should be ... if all you're trying to do, initially, is enable a MoCA client connection for the Premiere using the TiVo Bridge, as you correctly described, previously:
    ... after which you'd check the status LEDs on the TiVo Bridge to confirm a coax/MoCA connection, and then get into the Premiere and configure it for an Ethernet connection.
     
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    Thanks krkaufman. I will do that this weekend. When I did it the other day, both light were indeed on on the Tivo bridge. This time I am going to power cycle the Tivo. I really don't feel like power cycling the MI424-WR. The last time I also left in the wireless adapter in the Tivo. I wonder if that caused an issue. The Tivo did sya it was using ethernet though.
     
  10. krkaufman

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    Right, but it's possible that the network was mucked-up owing to the Roamio Plus having been connected via Ethernet (causing a dual MoCA/Ethernet bridging issue). If you limit the changes to just the Premiere location (adding the TiVo Bridge), you should have better luck ... or at least better odds.

    If by "power cycle the TiVo" you mean "the Premiere," yeah, that would probably be worthwhile, especially after removing the wireless adapter as you suggested.

    Good luck...!
     
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    Success!
    I turned off the Premiere and removed the wireless adapter. I attached all cables and then turned the Premiere on. I then plugged the power to the Tivo Bridge in. After the Premier booted, I was able to stream from Roamio to Premiere and Premiere to Mini.
    Next step is to see if I can put the Verizon Network Adapter in place of the Actiontec router and make the Orbi as my main router. That should be here Monday or Tuesday.
    Thanks to you krkaufman.
     
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  12. krkaufman

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    Good to hear; thanks for the feedback.

    I'd recommend a two-step process, to keep the troubleshooting scope more focused:

    1) Transition from using MI424-WR to FiOS Network Adapter as MoCA bridge :: Since the MI424-WR has an Ethernet WAN connection and is connected via coax only for the purpose of MoCA bridging, you should be able to:

    a) remove the coax connection from the MI424-WR and connect it to the FiOS Network Adapter;

    b) connect the FiOS Network Adapter via Cat6 to an Ethernet LAN port on the MI424-WR.

    c) After making this change, a full power reset may be needed to quickly reset your gear to recognize the new main MoCA bridge.​

    At this point, assuming success, the MI424-WR would still be acting as your primary router, but the FiOS Network Adapter would now be supporting the MoCA bridge function. (And the Orbi still just acting as a wireless access point.)

    2) Convert to using Orbi as primary router :: Once you've proven the FiOS Network Adapter will support your MoCA bridging needs, you can switch to using your Orbi as your primary router, via whatever process that requires. As far as the FiOS Network Adapter (FNA) is concerned, you would need to connect it via Cat6 to an Ethernet LAN port on the Orbi; the FNA's other unused Ethernet ports could then be used for connecting other Ethernet-capable devices to your home network.
     
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    $22 shipped if you don't mind two ethernet ports. Can also be had for under $20. Can get them on ebay too.
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B016YJQ6EE/ref=dp_prsubs_2
     
  14. joy_division

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    I got the verizon network adapter with 4 ethernet ports. I will be installing this weekend. Just didn't have time or patience for it during the week if something went wrong.
     
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    Good luck. Hope it goes smooth.

    Sent from my SM-N960U1 using Tapatalk
     
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    ok, phew, I had a few anxious moments.

    krkaufman, it was a success. Let me let you know how it went down...

    I did the baby steps by using the Verizon network adapter first, to check if it didn't mess up my MoCA network. At first I was going to go right for making the Orbi the main router, but then I would have two unknowns, so I went with your suggestion. That worked fine, although the mess of wires made my desk look like spaghetti.

    Then I went for the money shot. I first went into the Orbi setup on a wireless PC. My main PC is wired, so you actually cannot get into the Orbi setup that way. You need a wireless connection. For some reason also, I could not get in with Chrome, I had to use Safari. Got in.

    Then I redid the wires. It is a little disconcerting that the Verizon Network Adapter does not have a WAN vs. LAN port and that you can use any port for either. Switched ethernet from ONT to Orbi Internet port. Plugged LAN port (there is only one) from Orbi to any port on Verizon Network Adapter. Plugged wired ethernet from PC to another port on Verizon Network Adapter. Switched Orbi to Router mode. It hung, but since I pulled plugs, I thought it might do that.

    Went to my now wired PC, no go. No internet. Wireless devices cannot connect. Cannot connect wirelessly now to Orbi either. Uh-oh. Imac does though say it is connected wirelessly, but no web pages work. OK, maybe it takes a few minutes, so I waited. Plugged PC into Orbi ethernet port to bypass Verizon Network Adapter. It works. Went back to the previous connections. Wireless working now. Can now get into Orbi wirelessly and since it is the main router I can get it wired too from my PC.

    The only issue was Amazon Echo could not connect, so I rebooted it. All is good now. Now I have full control of devices and I have a smaller footprint on my desk. Actiontec router will go in closet like you said in case I need it one day.

    Thanks krkaufman, your patience and expertise helped me out here.
     
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  17. dbpaddler

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    Side note. The orbi phone app works really well for setup too. If anyone is switching internet providers, I recommend using the orbi setup from the web though as the IP adr doesn't seem to refresh properly from the app. I struggled from Comcast to fios via the app. Went to the web setup and it refreshed the IP same as the app did, but apparently it took from the webpage.

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  18. krkaufman

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    Good to hear; thanks for the feedback. Glad you were able to power-through the hiccups.


    The FiOS Network Adapter would almost always only be used on the LAN side of a router owing to it only supporting MoCA band D. It’s just a simple bridging device, unlike the MI424-WR; akin to a wireless access point w/ a built-in switch, except MoCA subbed for Wi-Fi.

    What about FiOS DHCP release of the WAN IP from the MI424-WR?
     
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  19. joy_division

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    Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Well, it is working, so is it possible they are smarter now and realized it wasn't attached so it renewed itself? Maybe that was the few minute delay for it to start working again, maybe it refreshed itself?
    I know it renews daily, I guess it is possible that it was ready to renew at that point an it did., but you make a great point. Maybe will will stop working later today, then I'd have to rehook up everything the way it was and do the DHCP release. Damn!!!
     
  20. krkaufman

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    You could probably just call FiOS rather than reconnecting the MI424-WR — though I suspect you’re already in the clear if things are working.
     

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