Ok, I got the Dan203 method working---many thanks to everyone that enlightend me along the way. Dan203 suggested VideoRedo to edit & output a .vob file, Dvdstyler for the menu & output a .iso file then lastly DVD decrypter for the burn. However since a file I'm trying to burn is too large for a DVD, I'm now trying to use DVDshrink as the 3rd step. So it's Videoredo, Dvdstyler, Dvdshrink then Dvddecrypter. Once I get the .iso file into Dvdshrink I click on backup, select iso image file as my backup target then accept the defalt target image file: c:\cdrom.iso, click OK. Then receive the following message. "out of memory...parameter is incorrect" I've got a p4 3.2GHz w/3GB of ram so memory isn't the issue. I've been on on the Dvdshrinks board & they seem to think i need to run the file threw a decrypter before I put it threw Shrink. Has anyone else encountered a incripted .tivo file? From what I gather around here, Dvdshrink is dead on simple(if you don't have an error code). Or more importalnly, does anyone have any suggestions on how to shrink a file without using Dvdshrink?