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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by jdmatl, Jul 24, 2007.
I don't know why you're so surprised. There are lots of us with multiple S3 units. I currently have 2, along with 2 S2/DVD combo units. (one Pioneer, one Toshiba) I'm seriously considering dumping the Toshiba unit for a TiVo HD. Although I'll probably wait until after CES just to be sure there isn't some TiVo HD/DVD combo unit in the works.
I think sane people occasionally wander in here, and assume the rest of us are normal too. Takes a year or two sometimes before they realize they're not in Kansas any more.
Well I seem to be one of the few that empathize with the angst of the OP.
Although I did post at the time, that Tivo was probably just blowing out their inventory of a product designed for a soon to be rapidly shrinking analog market.......I still did not expect for such a "on the heels" special HD-lite release.
Twas basically Tivo saying "Let's get as many people to buy our older product, before we pop this baby out next month"
I remember I came here an innocent wondering between Tivo and replayTV and then springing for that 40 hour S2 cause of the 50$ rebate for Christmas. Then too many kids shows were on my 40 hour so they had this 99$ deal on SD H400 TiVo, then my wife wanted a second TiVo to deal with conflicts and now I have 6 running in my house with 9 tuners, though that 40 hour spends lonely days in the bedroom recording Oprah and Dr Phil now. I visit it every so often and we watch Leno together but it is just not the same as those carefree innocent days now. I have not the heart yet to tell my DT DVRs about the TiVo HD
Why do you think Tivo was running the S2DT Transfer Offer?
To get rid of all Series2DT Stock they had in preperation for the THD's.
I looked on Tivo.com ealier Today, and under Web Specials all there was listed was the Series 3. No Series2's at all!
We all knew the THD was coming, and even the price Tivo had set. But still, its a stab in the back for those taking the S2DT Transfer offer.
And soon there is the Series 3 Transfer for lifetime Subs coming for the THD Units. There has been some talk about it on this Forum.
The only talk I've seen is "no time soon".
It isn't like the HD coming out was a big secret, those that made the decision should have made an informed decision and should have nothing to feel bitter about.
I heard the Lifetime Transfer for the THD would be around Christmas time to boost Xmas sales.
Denny certainly left the door open to that. Frankly I think TiVo is going to realize in the next few months it is sacrificing too much not to bring Lifetime back.
Yes he did leave the Door wide open. But it makes sense. Tivo did the Lifetime transfer option for the Series 3, and look how many jumped on that. I am certain Tivo will do a lifetime Transfer to the THD as well. It only makes sense.
While I am glad I didnt do the S2DT transfer offer (something just seemed fishy about that offer), I now seriously hope there is a S3/THD transfer offer coming around Xmas.
But it only makes sense for LT subs from which Tivo no longer recognizes any revenue (like the prior to 6/2003 date from the recent offer).
Not really. You are talking about an accounting issue.
Good business is where you find it.
Maybe another Series 1 offer. Tivo no longer offers anything as far as support for those units.
Just like the Series 2 ST. No longer supported.
Tivo makes no revenue at all from those units. The lifetime fees have paid for their effective lifespan.
But, offering another Lifetime Transfer would bring a sale of a New THD unit. Meaning more Money in the Bank. And a Transfer fee maybe, more Money.
Yeah....I've got to chime in here as someone who took the S2DT deal and feels a bit miffed now. Don't get me wrong. I love the S2DT and am in general happy I did it...but seeing the S3-lite come out at within $200 of what I paid less than 2 weeks ago (if you assume that the S2DT purchasers essentially paid $100 for the box and $199 for the transfer) kind of rubs me the wrong way. I know why Tivo did it now (to dump old inventory), but if that was the case it should have made the S2DT transfer a little cheaper IMO....
Also, no, I had no idea that the S3-lite would be anywhere near $299. Yes I knew it was coming out, but all indications had pointed at $499 to $599 for the price point as far as I knew (until the last week or so).
I'm sure Tivo will sell a lot of the new boxes, and that's a good thing....but a situation like this makes the company feel a little less "non-evil" to me than they had in the past...and that disappoints me. Call it sour grapes or whatever you want, but I will certainly view any future offers from Tivo with a less-trusting eye than I did prior to today...
Why do you think that those S1s and S2s are no longer supported. Its a notion you have that is incorrect.
Revenue is not money in the bank, or the register, at the end of the day. It is just something you put on an income statement.
LT transfers or outright LT sales have to be viewed in the context of the profit/loss TiVo takes on the particular box model. So the deal might be significantly different from the recent S3 and DT80 ones.
"Stab in the back"? That's overly melodramatic. It's normal, routine, American business.
the price point here in the forum was always indicated at 299$ and I never saw anything that was not labled as speculation for any other price anywhere. Not sure where you got an indication of a higher price.
also "evil" is not the right word in a capatilistic economy. The phrase is 'buyer beware" and all TiVo did was offer a deal they hoped would move boxes. Everything works as it did before and your lifetime is valid as lifetime. TiVo is a business that offered a deal, they spoke of this newer TiVo HD 5 or more months ago. What was evil about any of these business deals?
ITA. Well-said, Zeo.
Well...I read this forum pretty frequently, and I cannot recall ever seeing $299 listed as a possible price point any earlier than a couple weeks ago. Maybe I'm wrong...but if I am I must have missed it...
Also, I do understand "caveat emptor" and all of that other capitalistic jargon. However, I prefer to deal with companies that are "not evil" (as Google would say it) if I can. At least near the bottom of the evil scale compared to their competitors. Sometimes I don't have much of a choice, but I try. All I was making the point of was that I thought Tivo operated a little differently from what I had seen and was pretty "non-evil". This action has moved them up a little bit on the "evil scale" in my mind by, yes, making them more like "every other business".
And, yes, my lifetime works just as well as before and the box works fine, etc etc. I'm just saying the way Tivo handled this whole situation (such as making the S2DT transfer offer end the day before they released the THD) rubs me the wrong way. They WERE completely within their rights in a capitalist society. That doesn't mean that I have to agree with it...or not express my disagreement and disappointment in the way they handled things.