FAQ: How does the Feb 2009 digital over-the-air transition affect my Tivo?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Stephen Tu, Apr 30, 2008.

  1. Oct 29, 2008 #81 of 116

    bicker bUU

    Nov 9, 2003


    The objective of the offer was to address those TiVo owners who actually were using OTA; switching to OTA after-the-fact almost surely doesn't trigger the offer.
  2. Oct 29, 2008 #82 of 116

    jlb Go Pats!

    Dec 13, 2001
    Burlington, VT

    Well guess what.......My letter to the editor was included in the current (November) issue of Electronic House Magazine.

    They may have edited my words a bit but here's the text of the article (Couldn't find letters to the eds online):

    Interestingly enough, bfads.net now has the Sears Black Friday listing up and there are many 720p TVs and (WOW) 1080p TVs listed at great prices. I see some 32" 1080p models under $500. Hell, for what I paid for my 37" Vizio back last January ($749), I could get a 42" LCD for only a few dollars more.

    But the bottom line that I was trying to get across in my letter was that 720p is very viable, and if your TV has a good scaler, even 1080p/i sources will look great on them. And then you can use those saved dollars on a sub-$200 BR player on Black Friday.
  3. Oct 29, 2008 #83 of 116

    classicsat Astute User

    Feb 18, 2004
    Ontario Canada.
    I think they took a snapshot of the system sometime in May. If you were not set up for antenna at that time, you are not eligible for the offer.

    mrbrightside, you are confusing cable's transition to digital and the OTA transition to digitalwhich are by large, two wholly separate things.

    You are not affected by the OTA digital transition because you do not receive your TV with antenna, you use cable. Yes, you are affected by the cable transition to digital, but that is not the discussion here.
  4. Oct 31, 2008 #84 of 116

    Laserfan Member

    Apr 25, 2000
    Did you go to the upgrade page and enter your Tivo Service Number? The offer expires Nov 1 so you'd better hurry in any case!

    I have to decide myself what to do--somehow I missed the summer offer to upgrade for $99 and get free lifetime transfer (a few posts up on this page) and now am faced w/$99 plus $299 else my S1 becomes useless in Feb! :(
  5. Oct 31, 2008 #85 of 116

    phox_mulder I get paid 2watch TV

    Feb 23, 2006
    Salt Lake...


    I got an email from TiVo yesterday saying I wasn't affected by the changeover since I am using satellite or cable.

    Neither of my 2 TiVo's has ever been hooked to satellite or cable.

    They've both only had an antenna input since the day they were born.

    Something's amiss in their database.

    Yes, I do have DirecTV, but TiVo doesn't know this.
    The only TiVo's they know about are the S2 and the S3.
    Guided Setup has only been run with the antenna input.

    Unless DirecTV shares R10 and HR10 user info with TiVo.

  6. Nov 3, 2008 #86 of 116

    gantonak New Member

    Jun 28, 2007
    I tried that to no avail. But I called TiVo and told them I was concerned that my OTA Series 1 would require cable or satellite after the digital transition and asked if TiVo could offer me another option.

    I was offered a discount on a dual tuner Series 2 or an HD with FREE transfer of my lifetime from my series 1. I didn't think I was eligible for a free transfer of my lifetime sub, because I activated my series 1 on 2/28/01, after the 1/20/01 cutoff.

    But I was told that since I hadn't ever transfered my service in almost 8 years they would do it. So I took the new TiVo HD for $200 and the FREE transfer and got an even better deal than the $99 plus $299 I was hoping for.
  7. Nov 3, 2008 #87 of 116

    Laserfan Member

    Apr 25, 2000
    gantonak I wish you hadn't told me that! I suppose that if I'd threatened to quit Tivo based on my S1 becoming obsolete, they'd have offered to transfer my April 2000 lifetime S1 for free!!! :(
  8. Nov 12, 2008 #88 of 116

    martinfick New Member

    Apr 25, 2006
  9. Dec 2, 2008 #89 of 116

    DanielPZ New Member

    Dec 7, 2007
    Any advice on how to do this? I had no luck, got through to a variety of clueless customer service reps. Should I try people in sales or tech support or something else? Is there something I can refer to?
  10. Dec 21, 2008 #90 of 116

    djbryce New Member

    Mar 16, 2002
    I am a early adopter of TIVo with my trusty Series1 box with Lifetime service, that just keeps chuggin' along. A few questions, with apologies if they have already been answered elsewhere...

    1) Will one of the converter boxes work with OTA and my Series1
    2) ..and if so, which converter box make/model is recommended?


  11. Dec 21, 2008 #91 of 116

    classicsat Astute User

    Feb 18, 2004
    Ontario Canada.
    Officially no. Full support would require an update, and TiVo isn't doing that for Series 1s, at least for this reason. Unoffically, there are some workarounds. Look around and you will find posts describing how to use a Series 1 with a convertor box, and which convertor box to choose.
  12. Jan 5, 2009 #92 of 116

    junglecrus New Member

    Jul 13, 2005
    burbank, ca
    Please feel free to repost this in the proper place and in as many places as you want.

    For all you Series 1 owners with Lifetime subscriptions.

    Get the Apex Digital Tuner from BestBuy.

    Get an IR blaster and plug it into the back of the Tivo, then stick the blaster on the front of the Apex box.

    Go through the 'Guided setup' on your Tivo.

    Select 'Cable' and select 'Hughes' as the type of box.

    When the Tivo changes the channel to 5 (for example) the digital box will go to channel 5.1 (because there is no channel 5)

    Your old Series 1 with Lifetime Subscription on Antenna now has a new life!

  13. Jan 5, 2009 #93 of 116

    classicsat Astute User

    Feb 18, 2004
    Ontario Canada.
    That is a well know work around, not a 100% guarantee to work, but might.
  14. Jan 18, 2009 #94 of 116

    matt_o_70 New Member

    Jan 14, 2009
    I am very unhappy to learn that there was a HD box upgrade offer that ended in November but I was never contacted with this offer by Tivo. Apparently they had a very old email address listed for my account so I assume that they onlymade this offer by email (yet there is no problem sending ads to my tivo)? Calls to customer care yield nothing. All I am asking for is the same offer already offered to series1 customers who use antenna. I am a lifetime series 1 owner from way back..

    For series1 customers who require antenna for OTA network programing the lack of OFFICIAL support for converter boxes or NO STANDING upgrade offer for the same customers is shameful!

  15. Jan 21, 2009 #95 of 116

    satrad New Member

    Mar 27, 2006
    I just converted from DirectTV to OTA. I checked what channels were being recorded on my Tivo and found that most if not all the channels recorded were offered OTA.

    Channels are all in Denver about 65 mi away.

    S1 Tivo, Lifetime subscription, Clearstream4 Antenna, Digital Stream Dxt9950. Set the Tivo feed to satellite box, Hughes, 00137 fast and it all works GREAT!!!

    I had the Apex Dt250 converter box and the video was very poor. I will try the Channel Master 7700 tomorrow and compair to the DS 9950.
  16. Jan 21, 2009 #96 of 116

    timckelley run of the mill TCFer

    Oct 15, 2002
    So reading this sticky for my situation: I have analog cable, and so far Time Warner has not said they're going digital, but who knows if that will change. If it does, I have 2 single tuner S2's and one TiVoHD. It seems like I'd have to get 2 cable boxes (one for each S2), and 2 cable cards for my TiVoHD). I wonder how much $ all that would run me. I hope it doesn't happen.

    Plus IIRC (but could be wrong), aren't cable boxes less reliable than analog? I thought I heard stories where the cable box lost power and didn't turn back on, then a day later or so you check, and Now Playing doesn't have your show because the cable box is turned off.
  17. Feb 20, 2009 #97 of 116

    newskilz New Member

    Jul 11, 2008
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    Most would reply to that with "That is why you put everything on a UPS device, so that power outages cannot happen" at least in most cases. And yeah I know, that costs money too, I'm still braving it out but am getting antsy without UPS on my Tivos. If nothing else they smooth out the power going to the boxes. Anyway, my two cents.

    And for what it's worth, the S1 work around with some boxes works fine as long as you arrange it to guarantee the IR blasters stay over your converter box's IR input. Well at least for me anyway. :cool:
  18. Feb 20, 2009 #98 of 116

    TVDave2 New Member

    May 9, 2002
    The FAQ should mention that if you're currently using digital OTA, the digital frequencies the stations broadcast on probably will change.

    This means your TiVo HD will no longer have guide data for the digital channels you are now receiving, and you will no longer be able to use your TiVo for any OTA recording.

    You can call TiVo to request they correct the guide data, and be promised a 5-7 day fix. However, this timeframe is just a standard line the CSR is giving which may not be reflected in reality. In the case of Hawaii which already made the DTV switch, it's been 5 weeks and TiVo is still unable to tune to any OTA channels using the guide. This effectively renders the TiVo HD to the equivalent of a dual tuner TiVo 2. If you do not have cable, you are screwed.
  19. Feb 20, 2009 #99 of 116

    JimboG Member

    May 27, 2007
    San Diego, CA
    Yep, it's friggin' ridiculous that it has taken this long to fix the digital channels that moved on February 17th.

    It is even more inexcusable that the guide data still isn't accurate for Hawaii. Hawaii shut down analog broadcasts on Jan 15 as originally planned. Neither Congress nor the White House messed up Hawaii's analog shut off, so there is even less excuse that Tribune has not correct the over the air channel data yet.:thumbsdown:
  20. Apr 2, 2009 #100 of 116

    ajwees41 Well-Known Member

    May 7, 2006
    this is off topic but you don't even post a link.

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