FAQ: How does the Feb 2009 digital over-the-air transition affect my Tivo?

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  1. Jun 27, 2008 #41 of 116
    classicsat

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    No consumer electronics manufacturer is making a consumer grade digital OTA> analog cable system. It would be too costly for the small amount of TiVo customers that would use it.

    From a technical standpoint, none will be using the Analog broadcast shutoff to shut off non-broadcast analog channels.

    Some providers may choose to use the confusion to discontinue some analog channels though.
     
  2. Jun 27, 2008 #42 of 116
    yunlin12

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  4. Jun 28, 2008 #44 of 116
    classicsat

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    Cable going digital is not related to the Feb2009 analog cutoff, and will not affect how TiVos work with OTA, which this thread is about.
     
  5. Jul 2, 2008 #45 of 116
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    If you don't want to mess around, work out a deal with TiVo to upgrade, and then donate your TiVo Series 1 unit to your local school's Physical Education Teacher/Athletic Coach. You take the usual tax write off, let them use it's code so they can run set-up to fool it into thinking the Video input is a station, and they can use it to delay the video from an old camcorder at a skill station. After the change, I'll bet it's of limited use with a subscription anyway.

    Combined with a TV, VCR, & Camcorder, it allows students/athletes to see themselves on delay. Makes a great teaching/coaching tool. Our diving coach uses one in the pool at every practice. The divers climb out of the pool and watch their dive on a 30 second delay. If one old camcorder burns out, he asks swim team members to find another old one in their closet.

    I bought my TiVo with a free year's subscription thinking I would use it that way, but the darn thing was addicting, so I'm keeping it. In fact, I'm looking for a few Series 1 units during this transition period so that I can set them up for use it at our high school. Once I have one set up, our whole staff will want to use it. Only drawback, you can't record that way, but it could if the VCR could be included in the set-up.
     
  6. Jul 2, 2008 #46 of 116
    magnus

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    Well, you can if you have a S1 that allows for manual recordings.

     
  7. Jul 4, 2008 #47 of 116
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    I'm pretty much in the same boat and equally miffed.

    I took advantage of the TiVo offfer to upgrade an S1 to a S2/DT and transfer my lifetime. Now it seems one of my two tuners may become useless.

    TiVO NEVER warned me of this before I took the upgrade.

    Now I'd like to upgrade again to an HD and transfer my lifetime once again. But they won't let me do this.

    I think that sucks. I feel misled and misused.

    Ed
     
  8. Jul 4, 2008 #48 of 116
    EdH

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    I tried calling today. My situation is a bit different since I upgraded to S2/D2 late last year AND transferred my lifetime sub.

    They say I cannot transfer it again; so I have to either stay with the S2 or upgrade to HD for $200 and buy lifetime again for $300. So my cost is $500 today plus the $300 I paid less than a year ago.

    I tried explaining that they didn't disclose possible problems at the time of last year's upgrade but it all fell on deaf ears.
     
  9. Jul 4, 2008 #49 of 116
    bicker

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    TiVo isn't changing its service or its product whatsoever. It will continue to do what it has always done, just as it has always done. They have complied with all notification laws. Your beef is strictly with the folks who changed the environment within which you device must operate, and the with the folks who set forth the laws for what notification you deserve.
     
  10. Jul 4, 2008 #50 of 116
    classicsat

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    In their product literature, it does state that Dual Tuners on the S2DT requires analog cable.
     
  11. Jul 7, 2008 #51 of 116
    jlb

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    This is the only thing that would "change" things for me. I'm "lifeline" with Comcast for $10/mo getting my local HDs along with the analog locals (I have a single M-series card). The change to all digital would thus mean I would be using more space to record the same things (I like having the analog for reality shows that are not shot in HD).

    Then again, if it happens sooner, I can more readily get a MyDVR Expander or 1TB WD drive past the WAF.
     
  12. Jul 7, 2008 #52 of 116
    ajwees41

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    actually analog takes up more space then digital does.
     
  13. Jul 10, 2008 #53 of 116
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    I would like to know if the S2 software update will allow it to control both a satellite box and a digital converter box at the same time. I get channels from both satellite and antenna.
     
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  15. Jul 10, 2008 #55 of 116
    Mikeguy

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    You're right. And a conscientious company, the ones we tell our friends about and urge them to patronize, is the one that supports its customers when circumstances not of the consumers' making (and which a sophisticated company such as TIVO certainly knew about and understood, well in advance) change. In supporting its antenna-based Series 2 customers with the DTV transition, as TIVO recently announced, and not forcing the customers' S2 players to become doorstops, TIVO estblishes itself in that regard, to that degree. It also would be nice to see some attractive HDTV transition packages in that regard, in which everyone wins.

    :)
     
  16. Jul 11, 2008 #56 of 116
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    It is good to see TiVo posting instructions for the OTA converter boxes. I checked TiVo.com though and was unable to find any instructions for OTA boxes anywhere, am I just searching wrong?

    I am hoping they make the TiVo support the use of basic cable connected to the coax connection and a OTA converter box hooked up to the RCA/S-Video ports. I get a few channels with basic cable that I would like to keep but Comcast wants me to upgrade from $8 basic (my city requires the option) to $40 digital if I want the side channels that our local stations are broadcasting in digital. Our PBS station has an all kids channel 24x7 that I can't get without either free OTA or $40 Comcast bill.

    I would love to test this option if it becomes available and I am in the process of filling out the beta test forms with TiVo.
     
  17. Jul 11, 2008 #57 of 116
    classicsat

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    I doubt they will have that option. They have never supported anything but satellite+other on the antenna capable models, except the HD models, which will support basic cable+antenna.
     
  18. Jul 13, 2008 #58 of 116
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    You're just making this stuff up, on the spot, right? I have to give you credit for being very creative. :)

    TiVo is a company, not a charity. Indeed, TiVo is a company that hardly ever makes a profit -- if there is any charity forthcoming, it would be towards TiVo, not from TiVo.
     
  19. Jul 15, 2008 #59 of 116
    Mikeguy

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    Out of customer support and conscientiousness comes goodwill, further patronage, recommendations, and profit. Everyone wins, including Tivo, in these days of great DVR competitiveness--Tivo understands this (witness the many recent new features in the last bit of time).
     
  20. Jul 15, 2008 #60 of 116
    gastrof

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    It's been noted that at least some DISH satellite boxes have OverTheAir digital tuners in them.

    The "DTVPal", recently released by Echostar/Dish is an OTA digital converter box to be use with analog equipment.

    It also responds to DISH satellite box remote codes. :D

    Someone on some forum has said that if you set a TiVo up as if you have DISH service with OTAs and a DISH satellite box, but then uncheck all the "cable-type" channels from your TiVo's DISH channel list, it'll leave you with a TiVo that's looking to tune only OTA channels, using a DISH box to do so.

    If this is so all over the country, your programming info in the grid will be correct, and the TiVo, thinking it's controlling OTA digital channel changes on a DISH box, will control your DTVPal.

    A plus-
    The DTVPal has its own timer, like an old VCR would have. It can turn itself on and tune a channel you want to record. Use it as a source for your TiVo (as described above), and the TiVo won't even need to use the IR blaster to control the box. The box will change to the correct channel at the time the TiVo is looking to record from that channel.

    You'll just have to set the timer on both machines, is all, so they can work together.

    I'm not sure which method would be best, either letting the TiVo control the box, or letting the box operate on the basis of its own event timer. (Some say the timer on the DTVPal can go wonky sometimes. This may make the IR blaster a smarter move, but then we also know what can happen with that method at times.)

    Final thought:
    The DTVPal is the only digital converter box I've seen that has its own timer.
     

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