FAQ: How does the Feb 2009 digital over-the-air transition affect my Tivo?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Stephen Tu, Apr 30, 2008.

  1. May 13, 2008 #21 of 116
    Stephen Tu

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    Don't believe random technical support people from any company, they often are confused and will make statements that partially or wholly false. The only S2 DT users that will effectively lose a tuner are those whose cable companies are going all digital, like Verizon FiOs. Only a small minority of cable users are going to be affected by this in the near future.
     
  2. May 13, 2008 #22 of 116
    hddude55

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    Nice quote taken out of context. Finish reading my post in which I essentially said exactly what you said about the possibility of 2012 being the cut-off date. But unlike Engadget who apparently believes Cox has made some sort of blood oath, I will believe 2012 is the cut-off when it happens. Cox could change its corporate mind before then.

    As for all of you guys who oddly enough seem to always stand up for TiVo, Inc. no matter what they pull, I still think they should have been up front when they were creating all of those "too good to be true deals" for S2 DT units around Xmastime 2007. But of course if they had told us dumb consumers that we'd have paperweights either in 2009 or 2012 we might have left those soon to be obsolete machines sit unsold on the shelves.
     
  3. May 14, 2008 #23 of 116
    Stephen Tu

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    Resorting to gross exaggerations isn't really persuasive.
    For one thing, single tuner is not equivalent to "paperweight". Some of us got by quite nicely on single tuner Tivos for many years before dual tuner even existed.

    Also, the way your posts are worded, most would read them as implying that most cable companies will go all digital and that retaining analog would be the exceptional case, while in reality most companies will be retaining analog for some years at least & only a small minority will be going all digital.

    Read http://www.multichannel.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA6533127
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    So you are blaming solely Tivo for something that is really the cable company's decision, and in all likelihood isn't happening to you or your daughters anyway! Posters here do not all knee-jerk defend Tivo no matter what, they aren't perfect, but we recognize the difference between legitimate and illegitimate gripes.
     
  4. May 14, 2008 #24 of 116
    bicker

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    Not everything that is to your disadvantage necessarily needs to be someone else's fault.
     
  5. May 14, 2008 #25 of 116
    ZeoTiVo

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    in the get a clue departmnet - this is a FAQ for information on the OTA switch to digital if you would like to start a thread or FAQ on cable switching to digital then start a new thread but arguing about cable here just makes everyone involved look clueless.
     
  6. May 15, 2008 #26 of 116
    TiVoPony

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    Hi all,

    As I'd previously mentioned, we're working on a solution for the antenna digital converter boxes required for next February 17 (if you're using antenna as an input).

    We're now recruiting people to participate in a beta program for this software. At this point we're identifying people who would like to participate, even though the beta has not begun quite yet. If you'd like to nominate yourself, visit http://www.tivo.com/beta and fill out the beta tester application form you'll find there (there are a couple of new questions in the test platforms section - do you have a digital converter box & do you intend to get a digital converter box).

    As far as support for specific makes and models of converters, we're evaluating them as they come onto the market, but as we're still actively developing this code I don't have a specific list I can share. I can say that we intend to capture IR codes from as many boxes as we can, and have established a system very similar to how we have supported IR control for various cable and satellite boxes over the years. Basically, most boxes should work fine, but there will always be some weird box that doesn't behave (just as with satellite or cable). If you'd like to get in early and be ahead of the curve, sign up for the beta! :)

    And again, if you're using cable or satellite, this doesn't affect you at all. If you have a Series3 or TiVo HD you're not impacted. And if you've purchased a standard definition DVR recently, they have not had antenna support (per FCC requirements) and will not have antenna support (analog or digital). No changes here either.

    Thanks,
    Pony
     
  7. May 24, 2008 #27 of 116
    panictivo

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    TiVoPony, are you talking about a solution for Series 2 only?


    The TiVo Support web page on DTV implies that there will be no software update for Series 1.
     
  8. May 24, 2008 #28 of 116
    magnus

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  9. May 24, 2008 #29 of 116
    classicsat

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    Yes, the current announced update is only for Series 2 models that were made to be antenna compatible.

    According to the aforementioned support page, they are considering options, but don't necessarily expect a software update.
     
  10. Jun 10, 2008 #30 of 116
    phox_mulder

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    My coupons were set to expire next week, so I picked up two converter boxes last night.

    Digital Stream DTX9950 from Radio Shack (the only one they had in stock at the store)

    Insignia NS-DXA1 from Best Buy, the only one they had in the store.
    (I think it's a rebranded (or unbranded) Zenith, from what I've read online)

    Hopefully these two models are supported in the upcoming software.

    I got two different models in the hope that at least one is easy to setup Tivo-wise.


    phox
     
  11. Jun 13, 2008 #31 of 116
    EJ

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    My parents have a series 1 box and use OTA for locals as directv doesnt offer locals, and only 2 local stations are broadcasting digitally. When I told my mom she would have to get a directv DVR and lose her tivo, she was not happy (the tivo can't control directv and a converter box)

    So I boought a HR10-250, we will use the old tivo for analog locals, and the 10-250 for everything else until feb.. It's in their livingroom and they don't care much about getting the MPEG 4 HD, they have that in their theater room. So a happy ending, son finds a way for mom keep her tivo!
     
  12. Jun 13, 2008 #32 of 116
    TiVoPony

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    The update to support ATSC converter boxes is still in development, so it's too early to say anything definitive. I can share that our testing to date has shown that we likely will not be able to support the Digital Stream DTX9000.

    We have not had a Digital Stream DTX9550 in test. I would encourage you to apply for the beta program if you would like to verify this particular model, the more models we can test before launch the better.

    Cheers,
    Pony
     
  13. Jun 13, 2008 #33 of 116
    barbeedoll

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    Thanks for the first post in all of the articles I have seen that specifically answers my questions.

    You rock!

    Barbeedoll
     
  14. Jun 16, 2008 #34 of 116
    JT-KGY

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    Pony,

    Would you be so kind telling us which boxes will most likely be supported?
    My coupons will expire in just a few days (19th)... like to know which one
    I should buy very very soon. :)

    Also, how would using the converter box affect people who use the captions?

    Thanks,

     
  15. Jun 16, 2008 #35 of 116
    telcoman

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    Had same issue as you. Called Tivo and they allowed an upgrade to Series 3 for $200 and will transfer the lifetime sub from the series 2 to series 3. Give Tivo a call. They were very nice to me.

    Telcoman
     
  16. Jun 18, 2008 #36 of 116
    snedecor

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    I signed up for the beta test. I thought I had a good chance, because I have both Series 1 and Series 2 TiVo's and I have two different types of converter boxes. However, I have not been asked to test anything. Rejection is sometimes hard to take.

    Maybe I need more breath mints.......
     
  17. Jun 23, 2008 #37 of 116
    PaulaR

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    I have a Tivo Series 2 with Directv and an old Directv receiver. We just purchased the HD tv's and need to upgrade my receivers.

    Question do I keep my Tivo and hope it will work come February with the HD receiver or do I get Directv HD DVR. I don't want to lose my Tivo if I had a choice. Tivo should offer some type of software updates for these units. I would hate to just get the receiver then had to go to the Directv HD DVR. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
     
  18. Jun 24, 2008 #38 of 116
    classicsat

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    The Feb 2009 shutoff is only for major OTA broadcasters. Since you are receiving your TV through a digital box already, you will notice no change whatsoever. TiVos work fine with HD satellite and cable boxes SD output.
     
  19. Jun 24, 2008 #39 of 116
    bicker

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    (Unless your cable company is using the same date for their own, unrelated, digital transition.)
     
  20. Jun 27, 2008 #40 of 116
    berkshires

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    Is anyone making a dual tuner OTA receiver that an S2DT might theoretically take advantage of? Might that be a worthwhile product for TiVo itself to offer?

    Putting aside the all-digital cable conversion issue, to what extent are cable companies going to go more-digital directly as a consequence of the analog OTA shutoff?
     

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