"ESPN2HD doesn't work with CableCard"

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by nathanziarek, Aug 17, 2007.

  1. skylab

    skylab New Member

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    ESPN2HD should not be on sdv. In other forums, many TWC customers have filed complaints with the FCC for not being able to get ESPN2HD with a cablecard. The law (integration ban) prevents TWC from forcing us to use their set top box to receive non-interactive programming like ESPN2HD.

    Here is the web site to file a complaint:

    http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cib/fcc475.cfm
     
  2. Dr_Diablo

    Dr_Diablo Dr_Diablo

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    I don't get ESPN2 as well using the Series 3 Tivo, yet if I view that channel with the BrightHouse HD unit, I can view ESPN2...

    Cable rip ?
     
  3. cdp1276

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    The worst part is, I guess my area isn't even using SDV yet and they are just selectively blocking certain channels from working on CableCard's. Is there not a better way to have TiVo help us fight this rather than doing the FCC form? Also that link doesn't work at the moment.
     
  4. ajwees41

    ajwees41 Well-Known Member

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    The FCC would have more power than Tivo.


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  5. jrm01

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    However, Tivo would have a greater interest it getting it resolved.
     
  6. tetzel1517

    tetzel1517 New Member

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    RCN customer here... when I first got my cablecards installed, ESPN2HD wasn't even part of RCN's HD package, but the TiVo could still tune to a channel that was listed as ESPN2HD but nothing would show up. Then one day, bam!, it was just there (a very happy day for me). I don't think this was due to RCN taking part in hijinks though. They were just in the process of adding the channel when I got the S3 and didn't finish until a few weeks later.
     
  7. nathanziarek

    nathanziarek New Member

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    I guess I just don't understand. If they have to make their systems work with CableCard, how is it OK for them to specifically prevent a channel from working? I guess I don't understand the ins and outs -- and I sure don't feel like I should have to.

    Show of hands: if DirecTV made a cablecard-like card that could work in the S3 and get you D* goodness, who'd switch? I've only been back to cable for a year and I'm already tired of them.
     
  8. ajwees41

    ajwees41 Well-Known Member

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    The S3 doesn't even do Directv.

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  9. nathanziarek

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    Oh, I know. I was saying, if D* essentially copied the implementation of cablecard so you *could* use the S3 with D*, who would switch? I know I would. But that gets us off topic, I suppose.
     
  10. ajwees41

    ajwees41 Well-Known Member

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    However it would be better for the customer to complain to tivo who in turn can go to the FCC and argue the problem.

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  11. ajwees41

    ajwees41 Well-Known Member

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    They already do it's called an access card, but like you said this is off topic.



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  12. nathanziarek

    nathanziarek New Member

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    Right...but I am talking specifically about the S3 I own right now being used with DirecTV through the work of DirecTV co-opting the CableCard slot for their own use. Probably not even technically feasible, but I'd switch back. Heck, TiVo isn't that good. Depending on what happens with SDV (and cable getting more HD), I might be back soon regardless.

    Bringing it back on-topic, I already don't get ESPN2HD :) What else am I going to miss while DirecTV puts everything in HD?
     
  13. unrealii

    unrealii New Member

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    bo0...no luck with ESPN2HD on Time Warner Orange County, CA w/TIVO HD
     
  14. dolfer

    dolfer Miles Standish Proud

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    I am supposed to be getting ESPN2 HD tomorrow through Time Warner Cincinnati. I will let you know if there are any problems.
     
  15. nathanziarek

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    good luck! Whatever this SDV device is needs to come ASAP. Until college basketball starts up, I don't have much of a need for ESPN2HD (and based on the number of HD cameras available, probably not much this either, lets be honest), but I can't stand the idea that I am paying for this station and can't receive it given my legal, standards-compliant hardware.
     
  16. bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

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    With Comcast, the problem is not SDV. Comcast's service options look something like this:

    1. Basic cable (locals including HD + gov't channels) - $10-$15/mo

    2. Extended basic (most common nat'l channels) - Extra $35/mo

    3. Comcast Digital (numerous digital filler channels + HD versions of extended basic channels; also includes one non-HD STB or CableCard ) - Extra $10-$16/mo.

    Comcast CSRs are trained to quote all three packages together when you ask about digital service. The first item is required for TV service. However, in most service areas, you can ask for just (1) and (3).

    Until recently, many customers could get cable channels like Discovery Theater HD, TNT-HD, ESPN-HD, and ESPN2-HD with just packages (1) and (3).

    Unfortunately, this was a error in Comcast's authorization system. Comcast was never allowed to sell Discovery Theater HD, TNT-HD, ESPN-HD, and ESPN2-HD to customers without the standard Discovery, TNT, and ESPN channels in package (2). Content providers do not sell the HD versions separately, they are bundled together with the SD versions (ex: Comcast pays $2.75 for ESPN and ESPN2 and gets ESPN-HD for $0.25 and ESPN2-HD for $0.10).

    This month, Comcast began to 'fix' that on its cable systems. By the end of September, you will no longer get Discovery Theater HD, TNT-HD, ESPN-HD, or ESPN2-HD on any HD STB or HD DVR without a subscription to (1), (2), and (3).
     
  17. mbarcus

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    Dolfer,

    I also received the new channel lineup/announcement in the mail (I am in Cincinnati as well). Take a closer look at the announcement...there is an asterisk by ESPN2HD....says that it is NOT available to cablecard customers!!
     
  18. nathanziarek

    nathanziarek New Member

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    Boo. Combine this with the other thread about the guy getting TNT-HD on his Comcast box, but not his TiVoHD (the mirror of my problems with ESPN2HD), and it looks like SDV is in full effect. *sigh*
     
  19. bferrell

    bferrell Now in HD!

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    Yea, they just added ESPN2HD in Cincinnati, and the flyer notes "Not available on one-way cable cards", and I'm pretty sure they haven't started SDV here yet.

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  20. slimm

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    And yet, you still can't tune to it, even with their own set top box.. It's not available yet, period. You would think that knowing it would be added on this day that they would have at least practiced.
     

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