eSATA & TiVoHD (Only Tivo-brand HardDrives will work?)

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by TokyoShoe, Oct 18, 2007.

  1. Oct 22, 2007 #61 of 102
    spectrumsp

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    The THD is a relatively new box, especially compared to the S3...and, as a result, I would believe that there are a lot fewer THDs in service than S3s, S2s, and S1s...the issue with the esata drive and 9.2 release only effects the THD...

    It shouldn't take that long to get the 9.2 release out to everyone who has a THD...perhaps a week, and it's been rolling out now almost that long...

    I would hope we see some info regarding the supported esata drivers in the VERY NEAR term...(this week would be nice).
     
  2. Oct 22, 2007 #62 of 102
    TokyoShoe

    TokyoShoe Frustrated TiVoHD'er

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    Well it was pointed out to me (I am new to Tivo patchs in general , as a TivoHD owner) that the current patch is 9.2J .. the J apparently indicating that it is infact a "Test Patch" or something of similar nature. Not an "official patch rollout".

    So .. there are possiblities that the TivoHD eSATA functionality could change (for better or worse) when the 9.2 FINAL patch comes out.
     
  3. Oct 22, 2007 #63 of 102
    richsadams

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    As an FYI, TiVo's software upgrade, v9.2 is not being rolled out yet. The most current release is v9.2.j, a trial rollout (more here).

    TiVo pushes out a trial version to a small segment of their millions of subscribers to asses call center feedback prior to the regular release. This generally takes place over a period of two to three weeks. (This is week two for v9.2.j.) However, depending on feedback and any more work required the timeframe for the general release could be longer. Historically there have been very few changes from the trial version.

    Earlier announcements for a new software version featuring additional enhancements for S3’s and THD’s including MRV, TTG (and now apparently eSATA) was slated for November and it would appear that they are on schedule.

    EDIT: Here's a link to the BB web page (inactive) for the "supported device" (taken from this post).
     
  4. Oct 22, 2007 #64 of 102
    Ripcord2

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    It's quite a bit different, though. While there are some standards, there is a fairly wide range of incompatibility in the USB NIC space. There's no true standard. So there's a pretty large range of possibilities in what a host needs to do to talk to the NIC (different drivers).

    SATA, on the other hand, is highly standardized. For the most part, either the drive supports SATA, or it doesn't. Support for devices can be implemented and there's a very high assurance of compatibility.

    That's why some of us are skeptical about the "reducing complexity" motivation.
     
  5. Oct 22, 2007 #65 of 102
    spectrumsp

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    "As an FYI, TiVo's software upgrade, v9.2 is not being rolled out yet. The most current release is v9.2.j, a trial rollout (more here). "


    Totally concur...but as part of the trail to see if everything is working, I would think Tivo would want those of us who have the 9.2j to use it with several of the esata devices to see how 9.2j operates...

    I received the update last week and have found out that the MX-1 "currently" is not supported...which devices are?...I'd love to give one a try and report the results back to Tivo...I think there are others of us out there as well who have received the 9.2j update and would like to trail run an esata drive and report the results back...

    I'm just out here wishing on a star...
     
  6. Oct 22, 2007 #66 of 102
    xfm

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    Is spectrum correct? Does the eSATA issue with 9.2 ONLY affect TiVoHD, not S3? I have an S3 and just purchased an Antec MX-1 and planned to shop for an eSATA drive this week.

    Can anyone confirm that the S3 still accepts the MX-1/WD 1TB combo used by many if added AFTER 9.2 UPGRADE?
     
  7. Oct 22, 2007 #67 of 102
    richsadams

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    TiVo already knows what devices will and will not work as a beta tester let it slip that they've been testing eSATA since April.

    My money says that this will be the one and only eSATA "Supported Device" for the time being (and likely the ONLY one that will work with THD's)...

    BEST BUY MY BOOK TIVO DVR EXPANDER

    In the meantime, it appears any eSATA drive will work w/S3's and AFAIK nothing in v9.2.j is stopping anyone from upgrading their internal HDD.
     
  8. Oct 22, 2007 #68 of 102
    spectrumsp

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    I have seen several posts that Western Digital has a DVR Extender that is supposedly supported, but I have yet to read where someone has successfully used one...I know the MX-1 is not currently supported on the THD (I have first hand experience).

    I read in several posts that the S3 supported the MX-1, so I went out and purchased one this weekend...on the THD it turns out you get a window that states it is an "unsuppored device" with no further actions allowed. Spike indicated that he was able to use the MX-1 on his S3...it gave him the same warning that the MX-1 was unsupported, but the S3 allowed him to proceed and set it up anyway...he actually had screen shots of the process.
     
  9. Oct 22, 2007 #69 of 102
    richsadams

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    Our S3 w/eSATA (DB35/MX-1) has been working flawlessly since May through three upgrades - now at v9.2.j. It was installed using the KS62 method (which no longer works w/v9.2.j). The combination you suggest should work without a problem after v9.2.j is installed (unless you have upgraded your internal HDD). (More here)

    Reference links:

    TiVo S3 Manual eSATA drive expansion (Kickstart 62 - good only prior to v9.2)

    TiVo S3 and TiVo HD Plug and Play eSATA drive expansion (post v9.2)

    TiVo HD manual eSATA drive expansion

    WD My DVR Expander (TiVo HD P&P expansion)
     
  10. Oct 22, 2007 #70 of 102
    spectrumsp

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    Concur...but I have read in several different posts that if you upgrade/increase in size your internal HD then the esata will not function...I would much rather have the ability to change/upgrade an external device as requirements dictate/technology allow.
     
  11. Oct 22, 2007 #71 of 102
    richsadams

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    An eSATA drive can no longer be added w/KS62 or P&P after the HDD has been upgraded. However an eSATA drive can still be added by using WinMFS or Mfslive Linux Boot cd when the internal HDD has been previously upgraded.
     
  12. Oct 22, 2007 #72 of 102
    spectrumsp

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    True...but don't you have to divorce the drive to remove it and doesn't that then delete all files off the external drive?
     
  13. Oct 22, 2007 #73 of 102
    richsadams

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    The only time TiVo will ask to divorce an expansion drive is if the external drive is powered down or disconnected while TiVo is powered on or if the external drive is disconnected when TiVo is powered off and then powered back on without the drive.

    If you already have an eSATA drive connected and want to upgrade the internal drive, keep the eSATA drive as well and keep all of your recordings I should think a truncated backup and copy of the internal drive to the new drive would allow that. But Spike's the expert, so I'll defer to him. ;) There may be something in his forum that addresses that situation, or you could ask.
     
  14. Oct 22, 2007 #74 of 102
    spectrumsp

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    I never realized that was Spike's forum...Thanks for the info...
     
  15. Oct 22, 2007 #75 of 102
    moxie1617

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    That's not a bad price for the "approved" drive. I think my MX-1 and 500GB DB35 cost me about $240 last May. Plus, I wound up buying the SIIG cable for another $20 after my housecleaning adventure. BTW, the combo has been rock solid ever since.
     
  16. Oct 22, 2007 #76 of 102
    George Cifranci

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    My Antec MX-1 w/ 750GB DB35 and SIIG cable has been rock solid as well. Still running 9.1 on my Series 3 though.
     
  17. Oct 22, 2007 #77 of 102
    jlib

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    From the TiVo's perspective, it cannot discern the difference between an acoustically detuned (with Hitachi Feature Tool) DeskStar and a stock CinemaStar. Same performance specs, same power usage, same acoustic and seek performance. Since the TiVo can't use any of the new CinemaStar firmware enhancements such as the Streaming Command Set it doesn't make any sense to pay the premium for such a drive. It is mechanically identical to the DeskStar. With the Seagate line, there is an advantage to the DB35 series in the TiVo since the standard drive series cannot be acoustically quieted.

    These DVR drives weren't even intended for the retail market but so many people clamored for them (especially the DB35) that you can now buy them like any other drive but they were intended to be OEM drives around which a manufacturer would design a DVR. If the "4 tuner TiVo Series 4" :D ever comes out it may be able to make use of the DVR drives' streaming enhancements if designed to but currently the DVR enhanced firmware of these drives falls into the warm fuzzy category, sort of like putting premium in a regular car.
     
  18. Oct 22, 2007 #78 of 102
    Jvo

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    I just received my THD , got the cable card in, and it's working fine. I bought an MX-1 last week in the hopes of expanding using the eSata port. Now, after reading this thread it seems that my MX-1 won't be 'supported' by my THD in the future.

    I currently have version 8.1.x software on my THD. Is there something I can do now to expand my hard drive using my MX-1 before I get the latest software upgrade??

    Thanks,
    Jim
     
  19. Oct 22, 2007 #79 of 102
    SCSIRAID

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    You might consider returning the MX-1 and pick up a 1TB drive and use WinMFS to copy and extend the internal drive. Eliminates the complexity of having an external drive. Save the original 160 as a backup.

    Thats what I did....
     
  20. Oct 22, 2007 #80 of 102
    Revolutionary

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    FYI: the Best Buy page for the "Tivo DVR Expander" is no longer inactive. You can actually pre-order now. :)
     

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