End of PC <--> TiVo transfer is End of TiVo for me

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Zaphod, May 27, 2019.

  1. Jun 6, 2019 #101 of 126
    Mikeguy

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    I appreciate much of what you're saying but, from what people have said, unless all the cableco consumers become retail consumers, the numbers just aren't there--we're the vast minority.
     
  2. Jun 7, 2019 #102 of 126
    ClearToLand

    ClearToLand Old !*#$% Tinkerer!

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    Are you referring to Closed Captions on TiVo-to-PC transfers?

    I get perfect Closed Captions with @Dan203 's PyTiVo Desktop in TS mode when the errors are zero (SEARCH TCF for "TS Sync Errors" and my UserID). It took a while to figure out all the hoops necessary to jump through.
     
  3. Jun 7, 2019 #103 of 126
    Wil

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    No. Subtitles. Other direction.

    EDIT because there is apparently misunderstanding: We were, I think, discussing Tivo & pyTivo for playback of media, not Plex.
     
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  4. Jun 7, 2019 #104 of 126
    mschnebly

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    What good is this personal television experience if it doesn't work on any systems?
     
  5. Jun 7, 2019 #105 of 126
    bradleys

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    I am not sure I understand your complaint about subtitles... TiVo does subtitles fine, with a press and hold of the B button and Plex just added automatic subtitle library access for content - so if you don't have to go looking for a subtitle file yourself.
     
  6. Jun 7, 2019 #106 of 126
    Joe3

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    Henceforth, not a personal television experience.
     
  7. Jun 8, 2019 #107 of 126
    slowbiscuit

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    Well I was talking about Tivo doing a home media player years ago and DLNA was the standard then. Of course it would be different now, and it's also moot - if you want to stream stuff from a home PC your Tivo is not what you want to use, generally speaking.
     
  8. Jun 8, 2019 #108 of 126
    Dan203

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    I think the biggest issue now is that most people don’t stream from PC. With so many streaming services out there it's not really worth the effort to maintain your own streaming library. Which in turn means it's not really worth it to TiVo to write their own streaming app.
     
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  9. Jun 8, 2019 #109 of 126
    Joe3

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    That like saying there are so many radio channel services its not really worth it to buy and maintain your own music library. However, there are many out there who want to maintain their own personal library and enjoy their own collection. Why would TiVo want to keep and gain those people as paying customers, I mean why do extra work, work too hard.

    Oh, Plex is capped on TiVo.
     
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  10. Jun 8, 2019 #110 of 126
    Wil

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    Plex is painful/impossible to use on Tivo, depending on your tolerance.
     
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  11. Jun 8, 2019 #111 of 126
    Joe3

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    That's the point here. People are fed up with the bull ****.
     
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  12. Jun 8, 2019 #112 of 126
    mschnebly

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    So are those hand full of people really looking to spend the money that it costs for a TiVo to stream their music to their TV?
     
  13. Jun 8, 2019 #113 of 126
    Zaphod

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    OP here...

    The intention of my original post was more about them taking away features, consciously or not, that are the main reason some of us long standing customers bought a TiVo in the first place. By taking away the features, they are taking away any reason for me to stay with their products. I.e, I likely won't ever upgrade to any other newer TiVo device.

    But granted, we're probably in the minority at this point.

    Similarly to my comment above, my original post is not really about new customers, no, I wouldn't expect a new customer to buy a TiVo for that purpose. It's about retaining long standing customers who were using those features that they've taken away.
     
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  14. Jun 8, 2019 #114 of 126
    aaronwt

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    How so? It will direct play my UHD videos on my Bolts with Plex.. But it does need to transcode the audio. But it can still play all my HD content and UHD content with ease using Plex. And it provides a nice GUI that has cover art, poster art, etc.

    Sent from my Nexus 7(32GB)
     
  15. Jun 8, 2019 #115 of 126
    Joe3

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    The more accurate question is TiVo willing to add features to keep their paying customers base growing or are they going to dumb down their product for a dying industry (cable) and give the rest of us smoke and mirrors, thinking we will continue to pay for that.
     
  16. Jun 8, 2019 #116 of 126
    tenthplanet

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    Most people never have/will never buy a DVR, most of non-Tivo units are OTA only. The dying cable industry maybe the only thing that keep Tivo afloat. Cable is dying a very slow death.
     
  17. Jun 8, 2019 #117 of 126
    NashGuy

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    Yeah. Although cable's death may be picking up pace next year.
     
  18. Jun 9, 2019 #118 of 126
    jcthorne

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    I generally agree with you but Plex for tivo lost the ability to direct stream h.265 content many revisions ago. (all h.265 content is transcoded to h.264 currently and HDR content has never been supported on Tivo). Still requires manual editing of the profile to get ac3 audio back each time it updates as Plex refuses to update or fix problems with the very out of date client on Tivo. It works relatively well for 1080p content on a Bolt but Plex has given up on any further development for Tivo platform. The current client is not even using the same UI as the rest of the plex clients.

    For Roamio, plex is useless. The hardware is too old and too slow. Menus are very slow and playback is limited to 720p.
     
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  19. Jun 9, 2019 #119 of 126
    mschnebly

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    I think TiVo's long standing customers are all on lifetime so TiVo doesn't make any money off of them. They're not going to leave over a few missing features like transfers or streaming. Would they go to an even more inferior DVR from the cable cos. out of anger?
     
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  20. Jun 9, 2019 #120 of 126
    aaronwt

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    On my Bolts it direct plays my HEVC UHD MKV rips. But no HDR as you said.

    Edit: I guess I got it wrong. It's my Mini Vox that plays everything and Direct plays my UHD MKV rips. I was messing around with it last week. And I could have sworn I was using my Bolts. But it was my Mini Vox. Sorry about that.

    I don't use my TiVos regularly like I used to in the past. Because of the Terrible video quality from FiOS and from OTA in the DC area. And then everyone else has also surpassed TiVo in apps. The Bolt had so much promise when it was released in 2015. But then soon their apps were quickly surpassed.
    Sent from my Nexus 7(32GB)
     
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