End of PC <--> TiVo transfer is End of TiVo for me

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Zaphod, May 27, 2019.

  1. May 30, 2019 #61 of 126
    bradleys

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    Moving from TE3 to TE4 will not delete your shows. Reverting back to TE3 from TE4 will delete your shows if you want to downgrade in the future.

    Snarky plug: I no longer use my TiVo hardrive for long term storage - if it is something I like and want to keep, I download it and put I in my plex library /snark
     
  2. May 30, 2019 #62 of 126
    slowbiscuit

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    Good thing, because Plex on a Roamio sucks balls.
     
  3. May 31, 2019 #63 of 126
    mschnebly

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    True unless you live around here. Comcast has been throwing in an X1 for a year of more now with their bundles so it costs you nothing. Plus if you want to use VOD often the TiVo has become a less than perfect choice. To do any kind of proper streaming you still need a streaming box of some kind. I'm not saying that a TiVo is bad, I'm just saying the choice is getting easier and easier to just move on or supplement. It's really easy to scroll on by the "irate" posts that you're not interested in. I know that some on here don't like to hear anything negative about TiVo but some of us TiVo users are finding that we need to find some options.
     
  4. May 31, 2019 #64 of 126
    chicagobrownblue

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    My Samsung 4K smart TV will play media from my PC. The supported video formats list is long. I just enabled media sharing on my Win7 machine and was able to play a movie. I'm using a Comcast DVR now, so I may pull my archival videos from my TE3 Roamio to my PC. As others have said, life moves on.
     
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  5. May 31, 2019 #65 of 126
    Diana Collins

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    They are doing what they need to do to survive as a business. The retail business never took off, and has been a side business for years. They make money (aside from patents) from the cable companies. They have developed an IPTV platform, they have revised the UI to be more modern, and catered to the demands of the MVPDs...these are things they HAD to do to survive. A TiVo that continued to be the TiVo of 10 years ago would do no one any good, since they wouldn’t be around at all.
     
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  6. Jun 1, 2019 #66 of 126
    Zaphod

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    OP here. Yes, I have lifetime and I'll keep them as long they continue to function. BUT, the other side of this is that I've been thinking of switching to satellite, or even cutting the cord entirely, to try to save money on my cable bill (which is entirely too high). The PC transfer capability and convenience on the TiVo is THE reason I haven't done any of those alternatives up to now. If that PC transfer capability goes away, my motivation to keep my cable subscription goes away. I'd probably just sell my TiVos (at least the Roamio) and jump the cable TV ship entirely. Then I'd take whatever DVR the satellite company gives me, or again, cut the cord entirely.

    At the very least, I certainly have no intention of ever purchasing another TiVo.

    As I read this, this seems to back up a large part of my point. TiVo doesn't care about the retail sector any longer, so why would anyone buy TiVo via direct retail at this point?

    Completely separate but related random thought I just had. Isn't using a TiVo Mini to view a recording from a primary Roamio or Bolt technically "streaming"? And that gives us full TiVo transport control (FF/REW/30 sec skip/8 sec replay) capability while watching that. So theoretically, why wouldn't it be possible to stream content from a PC or other local network source using the same technique and give us full native TiVo transport control with that content?

    THAT's my main gripe. It's not the "streaming" in and of itself. I want the transport control that we have on native TiVo recordings when viewing locally streamed content via my TiVo.
     
  7. Jun 2, 2019 #67 of 126
    Diana Collins

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    One word...latency. When a mini tells the DVR to pause or skip back or forward that command gets from mini to DVR in about 1 milli-second. When sending a similar command to a server over the internet, the command could take over 100 times as long.

    Secondly, TiVo controls both ends of the DVR/Mini operation. When streaming the streaming provider controls the two ends of the session and TiVo is just hosting THEIR code. If large amounts of storage were available, they COULD buffer several minutes and do most Trick-play in the buffer, but refer to my first point where I note that TiVo uses a SmartTV platform for apps, where the amount of storage is tiny.
     
  8. Jun 2, 2019 #68 of 126
    slowbiscuit

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    He said local network PC, not an internet server so latency is not the issue.

    Tivo's answer would be the same as others here - use crappy Plex client on Tivo, not Tivo's far superior native transport controls.
     
  9. Jun 2, 2019 #69 of 126
    Diana Collins

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    See “Secondly” above. TiVo doesn’t write the apps, the providers (including Plex) do. Netflix is the only app that runs under the TiVo OS, the rest are just the OperaTV platform for smart TVs.
     
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  10. Jun 2, 2019 #70 of 126
    NashGuy

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    This is why streaming devices and the apps that run on them should locally cache at least the last several minutes of the video stream. Most apps on my Apple TV 4K seem to cache the last 30 seconds; I can stack up to 3 10-second instant replays and the video resumes faster than on a TiVo. But stacking 4 or more usually causes the video stream to rebuffer, which takes 1-2 sec. The YouTube apps seems to be an exception, though, as I can stack lots of instant replays there without seeing a rebuffer. But then that app doesn't use Apple's native playback UI, so I guess Google is doing their own thing with caching.
     
  11. Jun 3, 2019 #71 of 126
    Zaphod

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    As someone else said, I mean explicitly for in-home streaming from a local PC, not internet.

    Although, trick-play works pretty well when viewing a recorded program out of home streamed from my Roamio via the TiVo app on my Android phone (when it works, which is a whole different discussion). Not quite as good as when watching at home on the DVR itself (or Mini), but better than any other streaming video app I've ever used. So I think it's at least feasible to have a reasonably well performing trick-play with internet streaming.

    TiVo could write their own application for the PC that acts as a TiVO host DVR to the mini or other Roamio or Bolts to serve up the content from a local PC in the same manner that host Roamio/Bolt serves up the content to a mini. But I guess, in a very loose sense (it wasn't streaming), that's what TiVo Desktop was and they let that die, so TiVo probably doesn't have any desire to develop their own "server" app on the PC. But they could.
     
  12. Jun 3, 2019 #72 of 126
    mattack

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    Umm, those shows are not the original shows -- they're at _least_ hacked up for more commercial time, and possibly censored for other reasons, etc..

    e.g. an hour show from the 60s likely had 50+ minutes of content. Nowadays, network TV shows that are an hour are around 41-42 minutes, but that's even a few years old. Cable shows are even shorter.
     
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  13. Jun 3, 2019 #73 of 126
    CloudAtlas

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    Curious, where did you read this? I thought Netflix, HBOGo, Amazon, Hulu & VUDU used OperaTV’s HTML5 runtime on Linux (TiVo’s customized version).
     
  14. Jun 4, 2019 #74 of 126
    slowbiscuit

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    Yes, exactly. Tivo could've done something simple long ago like DLNA support for popular formats (mkv, mp4 etc.) using their native transport controls, but they didn't. Something like the Roku Media Player for example, a very simple app for local content access.

    Lots of folks have asked for DLNA over the years, Tivo ignored them. And it's not like it was rocket science to implement, there's a zillion media players for all OS out there.
     
  15. Jun 4, 2019 #75 of 126
    aaronwt

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    The Plex server should be transcoding it to the capabilities of the device.
     
  16. Jun 4, 2019 #76 of 126
    aaronwt

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    Maybe the older Rokus. but none of the Rokus I've been using for the last few years have any problem streaming up to 2160P content.
     
  17. Jun 4, 2019 #77 of 126
    aaronwt

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    The Bolt can do 4K playback. The Roamio can't output at higher than 1080P. So it should get transcoded down to 1080P for playback.
     
  18. Jun 4, 2019 #78 of 126
    Diana Collins

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    I didn't...I think it is obvious. All the others have a delay (while the Opera platform is loading) before the app itself starts to load. Netflix starts to load immediately. It also performs far better than any of the other apps.
     
  19. Jun 4, 2019 #79 of 126
    Diana Collins

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    Sorry, incorrect. The Roamio version of Plex IS limited to 720p OR 4Mbps. If you have a low bit rate 1080p file that is below 4Mbps it will play back in 1080p. Your example above had only a 2.1 Mbps video rate. Anything above 4Mbps will get transcoded to 720p/4Mbps.

    I don't own a bolt so can't swear to how it handles higher bit rate files.
     
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  20. Jun 4, 2019 #80 of 126
    aaronwt

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    Really? It's still down to such a low bitrate file? I haven't checked Plex out on my Roamio in a while. Most of the videos I play through Plex are 60+ Mb/s bitrates files. Since most of my watching is from UHD BD MKV rips. But I'm using my streamers for that and not my Bolts or Roamios.

    720P/4Mb/s is pretty pathetic. Even my cell phone direct streams my 2160P 60+ Mb/s UHD BD MKV rips over cellular with plex. If a device can't direct stream my 1080P and 2160P content with Plex then I don't use it with Plex.
     

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