End of PC <--> TiVo transfer is End of TiVo for me

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  1. May 29, 2019 #41 of 126
    BigJimOutlaw

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    I have more confidence in pull transfers sticking around since it's an entirely local function, and an active feature of TE3 which Tivo still supports. Compared to push, which required a server login and was intended for podcasts and Desktop Plus and things like that which all got phased out. Tivo's probably not going to touch TE3 very much anymore, so there's that.
     
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  2. May 29, 2019 #42 of 126
    Joe3

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    Totally agree, You hit the nail on its head.

    No TiVo customers should have to go outside and call on anyone to come and make TiVo a better product. TiVo should be doing it. If TiVo made improvements to make it easier to add content and keep it organized and re-organized, instead of unequivalently trying to emulate the look of trashy online video sellers, then maybe, they would have something worth keeping, and for them selling. Rather than having people leaving TiVo behind. Rather than desperately trying to sell the company by pulling it apart.
     
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  3. May 29, 2019 #43 of 126
    wmcbrine

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    I'm not aware of any leaked code? I can't speak for armooo or others, but when I was working on, e.g., adding metadata support to pyTivo, I did it by 1. reading the HMO specs, 2. making queries to the TiVo's built-in server, and 3. a lot of trial and error. Much of that is documented in the pyTivo thread.
     
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  4. May 29, 2019 #44 of 126
    bradleys

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    TiVo needs to focus on their core product. The local share access functionality was always poorly implemented and only made functional by some dedicated and talented users.

    I would have loved to have seen a fully flushed out local share implementation with media art, descriptions, search and discovery - but it was never going to happen...

    They chose to use a fully flushed out product (PLEX) to support that use case - and it is better in all possible ways than the old native implementation
     
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  5. May 29, 2019 #45 of 126
    Zaphod

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    I don't necessarily doubt that maybe it was not a direct strategic decision at each point that various features were lost, but IS NOW. They are now full aware that these features are broken or missing and they deliberately choose to not give them priority to get fixed. I have no hope that they will ever do so and therefore, it is a strategic decision at this point to let those features die.
     
  6. May 29, 2019 #46 of 126
    bradleys

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    Let me fix that

    Strategic decision to replace the functionality with a full featured product instead of allocating significant time and resources updating a poor, limited utility.

    There are always people that will not adopt to change, but that does not mean the change was not well considered and the right strategic decision.
     
  7. May 29, 2019 #47 of 126
    bradleys

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    Oh, and someone said that TiVo Plex plays only at 720p, that hasn’t been true in a long time. On the Roamio it will stream 1080p and on a Bolt it will stream 4K.
     
  8. May 29, 2019 #48 of 126
    TonyD79

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    It does have issues with many sound codecs, however to get 5.1. It works but it is finicky.
     
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    Mikeguy

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    But from what I've seen, the elimination (or maiming) of transfer was not a well-considered strategic decision--it's just something that resulted.
     
  10. May 30, 2019 #50 of 126
    Joe3

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    Many people have stated this is true for their Ruko, but not TiVo.
     
  11. May 30, 2019 #51 of 126
    slowbiscuit

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    FTFY.
     
  12. May 30, 2019 #52 of 126
    bradleys

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    Random 1080P movie, streaming from PLEX on my Roamio.

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  13. May 30, 2019 #53 of 126
    Joe3

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    Ok, I revisited PLEX on my Roamio Pro went to settings and highest video quality is still 4 Mbps 720p.
    Something is not right.
     
  14. May 30, 2019 #54 of 126
    bradleys

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    You want me to take a picture of my TiVo to prove it to you? I know what I have and I know what resolutions Tivo on Plex supports...

    1080p has been supported on the Roamio since version 2.4.41
     
  15. May 30, 2019 #55 of 126
    Joe3

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    I am on TE3 are you?
     
  16. May 30, 2019 #56 of 126
    bradleys

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    Moved from TE3 to TE4 about a month ago for auto skip.
     
  17. May 30, 2019 #57 of 126
    Diana Collins

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    Some random factoids for consideration...

    The Plex app, like all the apps except for Netflix, is the Opera Smart TV version. This constrains performance. If they make the Plex app a native app, like Netflix is now, that will vastly improve performance all around. That is the only hope I have regarding "closer integration."

    AFAIK, Plex resolution on Roamios is still limited to 720p (even on TE4 - checked both my Roamio Pros). The Bolt supports 1080p. I'd love to know why @bradleys Roamio seems to be an exception. I suspect it is because the particular video is under 4Mbps. Almost none of my 1080p recordings are less than 6Mbps, and some are over 20.

    MRV (transferring recordings between TiVos) was the norm because when TiVo launched not many people had LANs (the early TiVos didn't even have ethernet ports). Even once LANs became common, most were 10Mbps LANs and streaming at that speed, even in the SD days, was fragile. MRV simple worked better. Now, MRS is easier and generally more efficient. Secondly, the use of 'copy once' flags makes transfer even more difficult.

    To the OP - even if TiVo can't do what you want at all it is still a better deal than moving to the cable company DVRs. You have lifetime...keeping the TiVos costs nothing, while the cable company will charge you rent for a DVR.

    <opinion>I really do wish people that are so irate about TiVo starting to behave like a normal company that they wish to dump TiVo would just do so, without the long posts listing all the perceived sins and shortcomings of the firm. You are entitled to your opinion, but the rest of us aren't all that interested in it.</opinion>
     
  18. May 30, 2019 #58 of 126
    bradleys

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    The Bolt and the Roamio OTA are advertised as supporting 4k playback on Plex - although I have neither to test.
     
  19. May 30, 2019 #59 of 126
    Joe3

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    This brings us back on topic. I am stuck on TE3 with the largest hard drive TiVo has for Roamio. The hard drive is 93% full. I will not spend days moving the files off TiVo unless I can transfer the files back on to the hard drive once TE4 removes them. The anger and frustration towards TiVo by some as to be so intense as to leave is understandable.
     
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  20. May 30, 2019 #60 of 126
    Joe3

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    Could not disagree more that TiVo is behaving as a "normal company."

    It is behaving like it has a death wish and I think all TiVo owners ought be concerned when others are walking away from the TiVo product. Perhaps this article may shed some light as to why ignoring the message people are sending to TiVo is not a good idea at this time or ignoring the many customers who on this forum who warned TiVo over the years that they must immediately return to improving its core product functionality or face bankruptcy. As it turns out, they have been right. TiVo has little time.

    "...the only way to see an upside for TiVo right now is if you think that Products spin-off can make up the difference. Hence, my focus at the beginning of this article on the competitive position of TiVo boxes in the marketplace. With Products worth basically $0, TiVo doesn’t seem to me to represent value even with this latest pronounced decline...""


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