Empty looking NPL?

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  1. DLiquid

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    This may be a dumb question, but why would they? Is it so that multiple devices could share a single Internet connection? With Earthlink DSL, I get 5 dynamic IPs so I've never had the need to share a connection.

    Interesting idea. So I'm gathering that even though a hacked TiVo should not access the Internet, it still needs a connection to a valid DNS server. Is this correct?
     
  2. Gunnyman

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    most people go with a router so they don't have to run pppoe software on their computers.

    yeah the MRV protocol uses DNS to find other tivos on your network.
    the delay in the now playing list is the searching for such tivo's timing out.
     
  3. DLiquid

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    It is so easy to set up a PPPoE connection in XP I never thought twice about it. It sounds like a router is the best solution. The bad news for me is that a gigabit router w/switch is going to cost me a lot more than a gigabit switch would. I will also have to make sure the router I buy is compatible with Earthlink DSL, which would not be an issue with a switch.

    If there are any TiVo hackers out there who use PPPoE DSL without a router, please speak up and let me know how you have DNS set up on the TiVos.

    Thanks for your help Gunnyman!
     
  4. DLiquid

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    One more question about this, because it doesn't make sense to me, probably because of lack of knowledge on my part. If you provided the address of your ISP's DNS server, how would this work? That is, if the TiVo MRV code uses DNS to find other TiVos on your network, your ISP's DNS server would have to know about all of the TiVos on your network, right?
     
  5. Gunnyman

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    now about that I am totally unsure
    I THINK it may stem back to the fact that HMO includes online scheduling of recordings for Standalone owners.
    If the Tivo can't get to a DNS server, the rest of the MRV process times out.
     
  6. Diana Collins

    Diana Collins Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    The DNS problem is not related to finding other TiVos, it is related to resolving the address of tivo.com (because the MRV code is setup to do that), bestbuy.com and nikon.com (because the Music and Photo section of HMO is set up to do that).

    Theoretically, you could also solve the problem by creating a HOSTS file, but getting the right DNS entry is preferable.
     
  7. Gunnyman

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    Thanks Dan I wasn't sure if it was a leftover from HMO being something you had to pay for or not.
    Looks like it is.
     
  8. jrgtivo

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    I have my DNS set to my router IP and I still get the NPL lag. Now I've lost music and photos too. I can still access the tivo with TWP, but now that I've upgraded to 6.2, I can't see what the signal strength is and test if that's causing the problem.
     
  9. Gunnyman

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    signal strength is a strong (or is that weak) possibility.
     
  10. rbautch

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    Do you mean it can't find your server, or you're missing music and photos in the menu?
     
  11. Diana Collins

    Diana Collins Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    The solution of setting the DNS for the TiVo to be the IP of your router ONLY works if your router is configured with the correct IP address(es) for your ISP's DNS server (probable if your ISP uses DHCP, pretty likely is they use PPoE, possibly not if they use static IP) AND the router's IP address is also configured as the gateway address on the TiVo. The first allows the TiVo to resolve the domains to IP addresses, the second allows the TiVo to open a session with the remote servers.
     
  12. jrgtivo

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    Can't find the server. If I reboot the tivo, it works for about 5 minutes then stops again.
     
  13. DLiquid

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    Then I think I will purchase a Linksys BEFSR41, set it up with my PPPoE DSL account info, and set the DNS and gateway addresses on the TiVos to the BEFSR41's IP address.
     
  14. GDG76

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    Is there a way to get around the DNS timeout if you don't have a cable hooked up to a hacked Tivo?
     
  15. dnemec123

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    In my case, my wireless router is not connected to my ISP in any way... Is there a way to get around the DNS timeout at all? It takes a full 60 seconds for my DTiVo's to "see" each other, and they are the only devices on the wireless network.

    Thanks!
    Dale
     
  16. dnemec123

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    I'm using a Linksys wireless router (WRT54GC) for just the two DTiVo's I Zipper'd, and I noticed in the Status area of the router that the date and time are wrong. It's set to Jan 1, 2000.

    Since the DTiVo's get the correct time and date via satellite, could the difference in time between the clients and the router be causing my slow Now Playing List issue? The web interface of the Linksys WRT54GC does not allow for manually setting the date and time.... any idea of how to manually set it?

    Thanks!
    Dale
     
  17. dnemec123

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    I think I've fixed my slow Now Playing List problem...

    I edited the /etc/hosts file to include the static IP address of my other DTiVo. I did this on both DTiVo's.

    I then edited the /etc/nsswitch.conf file and found the line "hosts: files dns" and removed the "dns" from the line, so that it ended up being "hosts: files" (no quotes of course).

    Rebooted and now the NPL is as fast as before.

    YMMV.

    Dale
     
  18. bengalfreak

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    Alot of people have wireless and wired devices on the same network. You need a router for wireless.
     
  19. slydog75

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    Dale, when you say you added your Tivo IPs to the hosts exactly what did you add? JUST the IPs on two different lines? Or did you put in a name for them as well like the localhost IP has?
     
  20. Diana Collins

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    Not really...you can use just a Wireless Access Point (WAP) and no router. If all the nodes have static IPs you don't need a DHCP server either. In this case you have a local switch (either standalone or built into the cable or DSL modem/bridge). One of the ports on this switch would connect to the WAP and it would then provide wireless access.

    Routers are used to connect two different networks. Many people use wireless routers to connect their local networks (which may be part wired and part wirless) to their ISP's network. But the wired and wireless portions are the same network...just on different media. The WAP portion of the router serves as a bridge between the wireless media and the wired media.
     

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