Emmy Nominations 2016

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  1. Rob Helmerichs

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    Both Tatiana and Rami were unusual. Those kinds of shows traditionally don't win the big prizes. Plus Game of Thrones became the biggest winner of all time (in fiction, that is). It's nice to see things changing (as well as the ethnic diversity).

    Now if only the Oscars would read the memo... ;)
     
  2. alyssa

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    thrilled Rami Malek won for mr robot

    Rami's first words at the mike
    "please tell me you're seeing this too"
    followed by
    "....but i wanna honor the Elliot's, right 'cuz there's a little bit of Elliot in all of us."

    brilliant
     
  3. Rob Helmerichs

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    Oh, and yay John Oliver! The first person since 1997 to win the award whose name is not Letterman, Colbert, or Stewart.
     
  4. jsmeeker

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    Too bad Fargo had to go up against OJ.
     
  5. Rob Helmerichs

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    When oh when will OJ stop killing?!?
     
  6. Maui

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    But why did it? What constitutes a "Limited Series". Fargo has had two seasons and had as many episodes in that season as Game of Thrones had in their season.

    With short 10-12 episode seasons for many cable and streaming shows the line is getting blurry.
     
  7. That Don Guy

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    There's some talk that a lot of the "surprise" winners are a result of a couple of rules change this year. First, everybody who was eligible to vote on the nominations in a category is allowed to vote for the winner now; in the past, it was only a select few (called a "blue ribbon panel"). Second, in the past, in the final ballot, all of the nominees were ranked from first to however many nominees there were, and if nobody had a majority of the first-place votes, the nominee with the fewest votes would be removed and those ballots given to their second-place votes, and so on until there was a winner; now, everybody just votes for a winner, and whoever has the most votes wins. There is some talk that a lot of people lost because "their" votes were split with someone else from the same show nominated for the same award.
     
  8. Steveknj

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    I think a lot of categories are getting REALLY blurry and there are shows that don't really fit ANY of the categories. Kate McKinnon's win stands out. Years ago, didn't there used to be a category for variety shows? She won for best supporting actress in a comedy. But really her show (SNL) is much different than a traditional sitcom and not sure if she really should be competing against them. I guess Orange is The New Black, changed things.

    I was so excited to see Tatiana and Rami win their respective categories and much deserving, although I kind of felt that this was the worst of the seasons for Orphan Black, she deserves it for her performance in ALL the seasons.
     
  9. Rob Helmerichs

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    I think the difference between, e.g., Fargo and Game of Thrones is that each season of Fargo is a self-contained, limited series. That's why Game of Thrones (Mr Robot, Orphan Black, etc.) was nominated as a regular series and Fargo as a mini-series. I suspect American Horror Story would also be considered a mini-series for Emmy purposes.
    I would argue that last season was "worse" than this one (really, I'd argue that it was less fantastic), but regardless, Tatiana's performance was as amazing as it's ever been. So whatever you think of the respective quality of this season vs others, I would say she is as deserving this year as she ever was.
     
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  10. TAsunder

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    I assumed Fargo and American Horror Story can just decide which category to be in. Not true?

    So glad for the lead actor/actress in a drama wins. I loved the first season of Orphan Black but the only thing that still sustains it after that is her amazing work. And Rami Malek is just exceptional in Mr. Robot.
     
  11. jsmeeker

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    Good question. There are probably rules to determine what can qualify. Then it's possible shows that qualify under multiple categories get to pick. OR maybe they can't and the rules are set so they can only qualify as one.

    I recall the similar "issues" with drama and comedy. I think there was a time when shows got to pick. But then rules were changed so the category was determined by something objective. Like the run time of an episode.
     
  12. That Don Guy

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    Up until a few years ago, performers (and hosts) in variety series and specials had their own category - Individual Variety Show Performance. Note that men and women competed against each other, just as they do in the current Reality Program Host category. (That was not intended as a RuPaul joke, by the way, but in the past, Jane Lynch and Cat Deeley have competed against Jeff Probst and Tom Bergeron.) The rule now is, variety show hosts compete in the Comedy Series Guest Actor/Actress category (which is how Tina Fey & Amy Poehler won this year), and variety show "cast members" compete in the Comedy Series Supporting Actor/Actress category. There is one exception: awards show hosts cannot enter any acting category, but get an Emmy if the show itself wins the Special Class Program Emmy.

    The Emmy Rules define a "limited series" as follows: "Limited Series is defined as a program with two (2) or more episodes with a total running time of at least 150 program minutes that tells a complete, non-recurring story, and does not have an on-going storyline and/or main characters in subsequent seasons."
     
  13. jsmeeker

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    Thanks!! :)
     
  14. Steveknj

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    I assumed the rules changed, but I still don't think Kate should have been competing with traditional sitcoms as the formats are so different. Just the same way that Survivor shouldn't compete with Cops because the formats are so different (even though both are "Reality" shows).

    I guess this was done to have less categories and speed up the show.
     
  15. jsmeeker

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    Your position certainly has merit. As far as speeding up the show? They could have the additional categories and present those awards at a different time. They do this for the guest actor awards. They actually get to appear at the main telecast to present an award.

    I think maybe the problem with a separate category for acting in a variety show is that there aren't enough of them any more? I dunno.. Someone will come a long and tells us why they dropped it.


    Didn't they have separate reality show awards? Like a reality competition award then one for non-competition? (So that Survivor and Cops had a different category) Really, there are TON of Emmy categories out there. We just see a fraction of them during the Prime Time Emmy Awards telecast.
     
  16. TAsunder

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    Right, but what about the rules for drama and comedy (non-limited)? I think Fargo & AHS could have competed in those categories instead / as well.
     
  17. Cainebj

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    I think they actually lobby for that because they have a better chance of winning in those categories.
     
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    I thought McKinnon's win was very odd. Was it just because she played Hillary Clinton? I always thought Amy Poehler did a better Hillary Clinton.

    Other thoughts:

    I was wondering why a veteran actress like Julia Louis-Dreyfuss seemed so shaky/nervous when she won, then it all made sense when she announced her father had passed a few days ago, poor thing.

    The whole Maggie Smith not being there bit was hilarious.

    The Rami Malek win was both surprising and great. Loved his speech, and the fact that they kept showing his girlfriend's reaction in the audience ;) .

    Glad John Oliver won!

    The delivering PB&J's bit was funny at first (with the kids from Stranger Things) but it got old after a while.

    I too wish The American's would get some more love than it has gotten, it is a great show.
     
  19. Cainebj

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    That is actually his cousin - they grew up together - they were on the E red carpet and he said it was all about family :)

    It was also interesting because he was pretty adamant he didn't think he was going to win.

    I was VERY impressed with his acceptance speech.
     
  20. Steveknj

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    They did separate the two reality categories.

    I suppose they could group variety shows with the late night talk shows like The Tonight Show and the The Late show. That actually makes slightly more sense.
     

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