Early holdouts -- What will it take for you to upgrade?

Discussion in 'TiVo Bolt DVR/Streamer' started by abovethesink, Sep 30, 2015.

  1. Oct 1, 2015 #21 of 232
    Aero 1

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    being OTA only and forgetting about the ridiculous new pricing, the bolt is not appealing for me.

    ill wait till ATSC 3.0 is ratified, and 4k is normalized before i start buying all new stuff.
     
  2. Oct 1, 2015 #22 of 232
    randian

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    Until TiVo implements a proper migration path, and there is no evidence yet that they have, why would you want a Bolt even if it had the drive space? You couldn't transfer any of your recordings and would have to manually reenter all of your no doubt numerous OnePasses and settings.
     
  3. Oct 1, 2015 #23 of 232
    generaltso

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    Why wouldn't you be able to transfer any of your recordings? And why would you have to reenter all of your OnePasses manually when you can copy them over through tivo.com or KMTTG?
     
  4. Oct 1, 2015 #24 of 232
    slowbiscuit

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    Great summary of what I feel about this box. Intentionally limiting software features really pisses me off, they haven't done this before that I know of (i.e. before they could always use hardware as an excuse but that's obviously not true for this). And it's not like the Roamio is that old, service-wise.
     
  5. Oct 1, 2015 #25 of 232
    brewman

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    No interest in the Bolt whatsoever. AFAIK it offers nothing new I want; offers less of what I do want than the Roamio, and I do not like the color or style.
     
  6. Oct 1, 2015 #26 of 232
    b_scott

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    Depends on the quality of the downscaling. My Kuro would probably downscale better than most software.
     
  7. Oct 1, 2015 #27 of 232
    b_scott

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    really? Because I paid $399 Lifetime each for both my Premieres 5 years ago.
     
  8. Oct 1, 2015 #28 of 232
    b_scott

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    if you upgrade usually the old box would be removed from service at the same time as the other is adding service - and you can only transfer if both boxes have service.
     
  9. Oct 1, 2015 #29 of 232
    trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    2 Bolts! That's your answer.

    IF that doesn't solve your problem then Tivo has another solution for you.

    3 Bolts!

    And if that doesn't work..., well you get the picture.
     
  10. Oct 1, 2015 #30 of 232
    hefe

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    If I didn't have a Roamio, I might upgrade. But since I do, there's nothing of interest here.
     
  11. Oct 1, 2015 #31 of 232
    randian

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    Many cable systems set no-copy on everything. TiVo.com is notorious for screwing up when copying over season passes, mostly of the random reordering variety. Does it even work for Wishlists? There are many other settings besides OnePasses, and there is information like recording and deletion history which are not technically "settings" but which are still very important to keep. Which is all beside the point, because I damn well shouldn't have to resort to third-party software to do this. When I swap phones *everything* gets migrated over. Apple and Google have rabid fans that buy new phones every year, not just because they like the products but because they made it easy to switch over to a new phone.
     
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  12. Oct 1, 2015 #32 of 232
    generaltso

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    I don't disagree that TiVo should have a full migration tool to make it far easier to upgrade to a new box. But your general statement that you can't transfer recordings to a new box and would have to re-enter your OnePasses manually is false.
     
  13. Oct 1, 2015 #33 of 232
    MikeAndrews

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    Why the hold out?

    I own my TiVos to PLS. If they work, what motivation would i have to get another?

    You know....Lincoln has a brand new 2016 MKX. I have reasons not to "upgrade" from my 2011.
     
  14. Oct 1, 2015 #34 of 232
    GBK33

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    How can you not have 6 tuners? They have been pushing the use of the mini. With only 4 tuners and a couple of minis in use, you are cooked! That is a killer for me. The size is not adequate either. Needs a 3TB model. Really bums me out.

    NEEDS 6 TUNERS
    NEEDS MORE STORAGE

    They come out with a Bolt PRO with those items, then I'm in 100%
     
  15. Oct 1, 2015 #35 of 232
    wizwor

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    I'm not really a TiVo customer. I just happen to own three TiVo Roamio/OTAs and a pair of Minis -- all with Lifetime. Total investment was $1150 for five rooms ($230/room for twelve tuners and 1.5t/225HD of disk). I'm very happy with the DVRs, but they do not live up to the hype. Very disappointed to see the Lifetime option disappear for the Roamios and outright SHOCKED at the new Lifetime prices.

    The only way I would upgrade (or even replace) would be to get a good deal on a Lifetime bundle at some future time.
     
  16. Oct 1, 2015 #36 of 232
    b_scott

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    curious what hype they don't live up to?
     
  17. Oct 1, 2015 #37 of 232
    wizwor

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    I had a tough time figuring out One Pass. It's a little complicated to use, but the big part of the problem was errors in the program guide. In the end, TiVo support was able to replicate but not fix the problem because TiVo is not responsible for the guide. The two guide problems were...

    1. Improperly Coded Programs
    2. Discovery Errors

    The very first program I tried to set up for One Pass was not actually on television. Some of the instances were an infomercial and the others were mistagged episodes of some other programs. During my channel scan, a number of channels were added that were more than a hundred miles away. When one of these channels was tuned, another channel played. When I set up a One Pass for Two and a Half Men, it was found on a phantom channel. The recordings were of PBS programs. I had to go through the channel list and remove foreign language and phantom channels. So, all of this is a lot less magic than i had expected.

    Two things that just annoy me are...

    1. Direct Access to Channels via the Remote
    2. No Inactivity Timer on the Mini

    When I press a channel on the remote, it does not go to the first available sub-channel. So, when I press 5, I get a message warning that the channel could not be tuned and I have to press channel up to get to 5.1. I have been told that this is because 5 all by itself is the analog channel. Analog channels were gone (except for low power exceptions) for five years before the Roamio/OTA was designed. All my other DVRs go to 5.1 when I enter 5 on the remote -- even the DTVPal (which was released when analog channels were still broadcasting). Of course, when you hit the back button, you get the dead space instead of the last tuned channel. Just a PITA.

    The Mini should have an inactivity timer. Inactivity on an HDMI port causes most modern televisions to shut off. If I fall asleep watching television, the DVR times out and the television turns off. With the Mini, I awake to a screen saver. I know I could just set the timer on the television, but that would require me to deal with a second remote.

    Generally, it takes a lot of steps to complete tasks with the TiVo and sometimes I have trouble finding options in the menu system. The fact that there was no detailed owner's manual in the box or easily located on tivo.com was frustrating for a nube.

    Some say I need to adjust to the TiVo paradigm. That sounds like a fancy way to say TiVo operation is counter-intuitive.

    So, counter-intuitive navigation, bizarre remote operation, inconsistent features, and program guide errors were unexpected in the 'premium' DVR.
     
  18. Oct 1, 2015 #38 of 232
    wtherrell

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    Not enough tuners or storage. Plus a shape that is not only budtugly but won't stack into my Android rack.

    Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk
     
  19. Oct 1, 2015 #39 of 232
    cybergrimes

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    Do the 4k capable apps even allow that? If you're running a 4k Bolt or say even an Amazon Fire to a 2k television set then the device is going to be outputting for the 2k device. Wouldn't Netflix know to only stream 2k content? What does it do now if you watch a regular 2k HD stream and you're plugged into a 720p television? It's only going to output at 720p, is that downscaled from the HD stream that Netflix is sending?

    I don't recall anyone asking about downscaling to 720 devices when Netflix started offering 1080 content.
     
  20. Oct 1, 2015 #40 of 232
    krkaufman

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    I could use an up-to-date Roamio user guide to provide my niece's family, as well.
     

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