Dvr Backup And Restore Software for Windows (DvrBARS)

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by ggieseke, Apr 13, 2013.

  1. Oct 7, 2015 #1141 of 1999
    jmyshral

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    Greg, thanks for sending the image. It worked like a charm, almost...

    I was able to restore it onto the original 320GB drive that came with the Premiere and the Tivo boots normally. I am still running through the guided setup and just did a Clear and Delete Everything.

    However, I am having loads of problems with a new WD20EURX (from Jet.com). I attempted to restore the clean image onto the drive with DvrBARS, and then supersized it with JMFS, followed by WDIDLE3. When I put it into the Tivo, I would get all lights flashing and nothing on the screen like there was no HD installed at all. No welcome screen, just blinking.

    I don't know if it's a problem with the WD20EURX or my HP Pavilion Bios, but the majority of the time with the drive connected, it does not get detected by my Bios. The only way I can get it to detect is if I first run WD Lifeguard from my ultimate boot CD, see the new drive, and then restart the computer. The next time I reboot the bios (and Windows 7) still usually don't see the drive until I re-run Lifeguard.

    Every time I run WD Lifeguard it detects the drive no problem. It passes the WD short test and I have run the Write Zeros (quick erase) two times.

    I have also re-run this same process on a completely different Dell PC (which detected the HD first time). I re-ran DvrBARS Restore from the Dell PC , and got the same result - all lights flashing on Tivo like no drive detected.

    Each time I have run the exercise directly connected to the SATA on the motherboard(s). I have used 2 different SATA cables (one in each PC) so that seems to rule out a cabling issue. I have also tried to add the jumper to pins 5-6 to limit the drive to limit transfer speed to 3 Gb/s. I don't have a USB-to-SATA cable so I haven't tried that scenario.

    At this point I am flustered. I feel like the drive is flaky and should be RMA'd but it passes every test every time through WD Lifeguard, which makes me think it may be something else.

    I'm open for suggestions at this point. Thanks for reading.
     
  2. Oct 7, 2015 #1142 of 1999
    ggieseke

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    That's the second post like this in a week (see http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=532237).

    What happens if you write the image to the new 2TB drive and put it in the TiVo WITHOUT running jmfs? That would only give you 320GB of usable space, but it would rule out most of the common drive problems like Intellipark settings.

    If it boots up without any problems, run it through Guided Setup and let it do its upgrade thing. Once it's stable on 20.5.2a put it back in the PC (preferably the Dell) and run a DvrBARS Truncated Backup. Once you have a fresh backup of the latest software try the jmfs expansion again. I would take that one step at a time - expand & test in the TiVo, the supersize and test again.

    I'm just throwing out WAGs, but breaking it down into smaller steps may tell us where it's going bad. If you're feeling really adventurous I can send you my TCD758250 Elite image. It's a native 2TB image and I ran it in my XL for about 6 months without any problems. The upgrade process from 14.5 detects the hardware and downloads the correct software to upgrade it while maintaining the existing file system.
     
  3. Oct 7, 2015 #1143 of 1999
    jmbach

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    Sounds like the TiVo does not see the drive. Just to see what the TiVo will do I started it without a drive in it and it lit up like a Christmas tree. If you put a blank drive in it, you get the initial welcome screen and boot loop. I personally vote for a flakey drive since the original TiVo drive works after being reimaged. I will have to say that if Jet got the drives as new overstock drives meant for a specific DVR, it could have a special firmware that causes that behavior on both the TiVo and PC. I had the same exact experience (one computer could not see the drive initially and the other me could. TiVo flaked out when the drive was connected. The newer computer was the one that could see he drive better.) with two seagate DVR hard drives. The vendor I bought the drive from did not know what was going on. I finally called seagate support and they stated that the firmware on the drive was meant for a specific DVR and was not the general relapse firmware. I returned the drive and got another one (same model as the previous two) with confirmed general relapse firmware and it has been running fine the past 5 years in my S3 OLED. Might see if you can confirm if it is general release firmware or not. It is a hassle and takes a lot of time and have to go through a few tiers of tech support. Much easier to return it and find another source.
     
  4. Oct 7, 2015 #1144 of 1999
    dougdingle

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    What ggieseke said.

    One step at a time, see if it boots, then the next step. When you take 4 steps at a time, it's much more difficult to diagnose what's going on.
     
  5. Oct 7, 2015 #1145 of 1999
    jmyshral

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    I did try this last night as well, and got the same result - flashing lights and nothing on the screen.

    I do plan on configuring the Tivo with my channels and some season passes, and then re-imaging with DvrBARS to try the process again. Perhaps I will do a full erase / write zeros on the WD20EURX before re-running the process. Option 2 will be to try just running JMFS with both drives hooked up simultaneously.

    I'm leaning toward jmbach's suggestion of returning the drive but won't give up until at least the weekend.
     
  6. Oct 8, 2015 #1146 of 1999
    jimmywaldo

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    I can not download the file DvrBARS .
    Can anybody help.

    Thanks in advance.
     
  7. Oct 8, 2015 #1147 of 1999
    ggieseke

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    Did you try the link in Step 1 of the first post in this thread?

    http://goo.gl/AbXwr
     
  8. Oct 9, 2015 #1148 of 1999
    jimmywaldo

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    I'm was using Windows Explorer. Downloads ok with Chrome. Dont know why..
     
  9. Oct 9, 2015 #1149 of 1999
    rainbow

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    Sorry for the delay in response. Been on vac this week and I dont have internet at home, not yet anyway. This past week I have tried a NBC of things including removing the he from my functioning oiled to back up that prom and tried to use that on the new hard drives to no avail. Only thing I can figure out to do that I have not done would be try to get a clean image from someone for the orig oiled 648 and see if that will work.

    I did put in the orig 250 he's and they booted up again ok but then the pic froze, so now I figure the images I have been trying to use are bad.

    Can anyone help with a clean oled image?

    One more thing I thought I might ad in case it might mean something's. When I reinstalled the new Hard drives that ended up not working, I noticed the 4 lights would come on the front, but not the TiVo image in the middle . With the orig he, when they did boot up all the lights pls the TiVo guy in the middle were on.

    Also, these are western dig drives, and I did use their diagnostic prom to zero out the drives before I used the winjms pgrm to image them. Don,t know if that info would mean anything.
     
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  10. Oct 9, 2015 #1150 of 1999
    rainbow

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    Just for my clarification , which programs will work for oled series 3's, and which will work for premiere's.

    Winjms and/or dvrbars for oleds? It had been so long since I had todo anything with my oleds that I have forgotten......
     
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  11. Oct 9, 2015 #1151 of 1999
    ThAbtO

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    WinMFS generally, MFSTools (I think), for S3s, DVRBars, JMFS for Premiere, MSFR for Roamio.
     
  12. unitron

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    You can use the MFS Live cd or WinMFS on the 648.

    My preference would be to use WinMFS.

    Just remember, with either, do the image restoration, check the drive with

    mfsinfo

    and only then do the expansion with

    mfsadd


    That means not using the

    -x

    option when using the MFS Live cd, or saying NO when WinMFS says you have extra room and offers to expand.

    Sometimes expansion doesn't work and just screws up the drive if you try to do it as part of the restore.

    By itself later, running

    mfsadd

    I've never known it to do so.


    And to use a 2TB drive in a 648, make sure you have an 11.0h or newer version of the TiVo OS on the 648 image (most recent version is 11.0m).
     
  13. jrm964

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    Any chance anyone can PM me a TCD 746500 image? I need to restore after accidently altering the partition type through Disk Manager. TIVO just sits at the startup screen and LEDs just blink randomly as if trying to reboot.
     
  14. ggieseke

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    PM sent. It's for a 746320 (I don't have a 500 image), but you can expand it with jmfs.
     
  15. rainbow

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    Ok I will try that. I tested the two 2t hard drives this am on my premiere using a clean image prev provided to me by someone in the TiVo community when I was trying to upgrade my sister,s premiere (where I am right now using her wifi) and both hard drives worked in my premiere, so I know now it is def not the new hard drives. I think i might need a clean 648 image. But I will try your suggestion re not doing the add/expand and see if that works. The only image I have for the oled that I know is up to date is from my currently active oled I am using. I have one active oled and one active premiere right now. (Poles the two oleds that have been down until I finally got the bad caps replaced). Those are the ones I am trying to get up and running.
     
  16. rainbow

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    oh my God - that worked! at least mostly. one of the harddrives is still giving me a bit of trouble expanding from 218 to 255 to the eventual 318 HD hours, but you can't know how relieved I was when they actually worked! i was on vacation last week and spent at least half of that time messing around trying to get those oled's to work. :):up: thanks again.

    (i had so many images i had stored in my computer and several did not
    work at all. i also had backed them up using DVRBARS, and since those did not work deleted them as well). one image worked w/11.G version. one of the oleds came up fine, and the TiVo image in the middle of the front of the other did not light up).
     
  17. He'sDeadJim

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    Hi,

    I need an image for a TCD 758250.

    Thanks,

    Bob
     
  18. ggieseke

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    PM sent.
     
  19. He'sDeadJim

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    Got the image. You are a gentleman and a scholar!

    Thanks.
     
  20. unitron

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    I probably forgot to tell you--as long as you have any Series 2 or Series 3 opened up, check the power supply for bulging capacitors.

    Or better yet, go ahead and replace the usual suspects with the proper low Equivalent Series Resistance caps since if the power supply isn't failing yet it's really only a matter of time.

    Read here:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=473394
     

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