Dump D* for Cablecard Tivo?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by SmokeBringer, Dec 22, 2005.

  1. Jan 6, 2006 #41 of 107

    HogarthNH DirecTV Addict

    Dec 28, 2001
    Somewhere, OK


    Will likely?? You mean they didn't already?
    I'd consider every single step of D*'s new DVR program to be designed to undermine and migrate customers to a platform they control.

  2. Jan 6, 2006 #42 of 107

    mickeymammoth New Member

    May 9, 2002
    Boulder, CO
    Way back when I had a standalone Tivo with cable, I thought the picture kind of sucked compared to DirecTV. I've read complaints about the quality of the HD, as well, but have no personal experience. But that said, I think it would be better to get HD in some form rather than not at all, and why bother investing in DirecTV HD at this point? Unlike some people on this forum, I'm not willing to go to a lousy non-Tivo DVR even if it is cheaper. Also, MUST have the dual tuners.
  3. Jan 6, 2006 #43 of 107

    Sparty99 Well-Known Member

    Dec 4, 2001
    Ferndale, MI
    I'm going to do some serious research on pricing when the Series 3 comes out. I've currently got 2 DirecTiVos running, so those would need to be replaced, and I'm not sure when my contract with DirecTV runs out. I think when the ultimate choice between DirecTV's DVR and TiVo comes, I'll stick with TiVo, but I probably won't be a first adopter.
  4. Jan 6, 2006 #44 of 107

    nhaigh Member

    Jul 16, 2001
    That's a point I'd conceed. The stand alone TiVo did reduce the picture quality even on high quality because of all the A to D converting in real time it had to do. The source PQ from comcast when watched next t the same from DTV were indistiguishable IMO. The DirecTV TiVo of course recorded the digital stream so it's PQ was far superior to the PQ from the SA.
  5. Jan 6, 2006 #45 of 107

    rjknyy New Member

    Feb 16, 2004


    I'll be sticking with D* as long as they are the only one with NFL Sunday Ticket.
  6. Jan 6, 2006 #46 of 107

    bidger Active Member

    Mar 30, 2001
    Elmira, NY
    You have Sunday Ticket with standalone TiVos? Well, to each their own. I personally like having two D-TiVos with 4 tuners so I can keep tabs on 4 separate games.
  7. Jan 6, 2006 #47 of 107

    nrc Cracker Soul

    Nov 17, 1999
    Living in a...
    As soon as the HD Standalone Tivo hits the shelves I'll be doing a serious evaluation of my local cable providers pricing and line-up compared to DirecTV. With no TiVo plans going forward and an increasingly unwieldy hardware solution DirecTV will be going in with two stikes against it. It appears likely that I'll soon be ending my 10 years with DirecTV.
  8. Jan 6, 2006 #48 of 107

    bv1187 CableHater

    Apr 16, 2004
    Rochester, MN
    I currently don't have HD TV, so I feel a little inadequate. However my neighbor does, and I have to say "I don't see it as a big deal". SportsCenter in HD or the local news does nothing for me. While I currently am a Sunday Ticket subscriber and love it dearly, when my team is getting the snot kicked out of them that HD picture will not ease the pain.
  9. Jan 6, 2006 #49 of 107

    dr_mal It's CWS time

    Mar 21, 2001
    Abingdon, VA
    It's all about the TiVo interface. Since my D* HR10-250 is still running basically 2-3 year old TiVo software, I'll be cancelling my D* service once I get the Series 3 TiVo. Not sure at this point if I'll subscribe to Comcast or just rely on the free OTA HDTV (which is at least 90% of what I watch right now)
  10. Jan 6, 2006 #50 of 107

    classicsat Astute User

    Feb 18, 2004
    Ontario Canada.
    Sure, that is what they want, someone to assume the costs of manufacture and distribution, even system design (off of a reference TiVo design), while they sit there just providing the service.

    The current CableCard system uses a fixed QAM tuner in the STB, with a removeable CA unit, and that QAM tuner can only tune cable, and sometimes ATSC.

    A unit that has a module that includes a tuner module as well is needed for DirecTV and Dishnet to be compatible.
  11. Jan 7, 2006 #51 of 107

    generalpatton71 Open,Flash and clear

    Oct 30, 2002
    I'm in the same boat. However I have 2 HDTV sets and will proably add another set before the series 3 is out. I think i might just take off the Hd package and lower some of my package that I have with D* and then sighn up for cable also, It all depends on what D* and Mediacom has in terms of progrmaing when the series 3 comes out. I'll proably end up with a situation where both offers something the other doesn't. My budget fot TV programing is about 150$ a month so I could proably swing getting cable with there bundling of services.
  12. Jan 7, 2006 #52 of 107

    MediaLivingRoom New Member

    Dec 10, 2002
    I would dump Comcast Motorola 6412, but it does a "good enough" job and it's here NOW at less then $16 per box.
  13. Jan 7, 2006 #53 of 107

    tenthplanet Well-Known Member

    Mar 5, 2004
    It's strange the forum members feel that way. Most AV magazines that have tested the Sony have regarded it as hard to use and over priced.
  14. Jan 7, 2006 #54 of 107

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

    Jun 12, 2004
    Fishers, IN
    And I would agree...it is....but lately, BB has been dumping the HDD250 for under $500. I went ahead and got one to tide me over until TiVo has its unit available, then it's off to eBay I go with the Sony :D !
  15. Jan 7, 2006 #55 of 107

    hoopsbwc34 Unpaid Tivo Salesman

    Jan 28, 2003

    The only thing that might keep me with D* is the $10 less per month for the fee... but that will be the only advantage D* has left in my eyes. And the advantages of HME, Tivo2Go and such may sway me in the end. We'll have to see how good the D* box ends up being.
  16. Jan 8, 2006 #56 of 107

    isbellHFh New Member

    Nov 5, 2003
    Atlanta GA
    I'm not sure if I love DirecTV, but I hate cable. Of course, that was years ago.

    Regardless, I love TiVo a whole lot more. I'll be dumping directv and going for cable when Series 3 comes out unless DirecTV starts acting right. I told them this, too, just a week ago when I activated another series 2 direcTivo box. The woman on the other side just sighed. I think she's heard it before.

    Losing two series 2 and the HD directivo is annoying but not too much: I'll give them away to my family and suck them in.

    My problem is that I still hate cable... and I can't tell what HD Comcast actually has available here in Atlanta. I went to their website but I find their scheme more than a little opaque. One reading is:
    755 Braves HDTV
    803 WSB (ABC) HDTV
    804 WAGA (FOX) HDTV
    806 WXIA (NBC) HDTV
    807 WTBS (Ind. 17) HDTV
    809 WGCL (CBS) HDTV
    813 WATL (WB) HDTV
    844 Discovery HD Theater
    846 ESPN HDTV
    876 INHD
    877 INHD2
    880 HBO HDTV
    885 Cinemax HDTV
    890 Showtime HDTV
    895 STARZ! HDTV

    But another reading is:
    803 WSB (ABC) HDTV
    807 WTBS (Ind. 17) HDTV

    I'm beginning to have flashbacks to when I had cable... ARGH!

    Why can't DBS be an open standard and just solve all of this for me?


  17. Jan 10, 2006 #57 of 107
    Glen Graham

    Glen Graham Senior Moment

    Oct 12, 2000
    SacraTomato, CA
    In my case... I had an SA TiVo for many years. Moved to DTV (2 TiVos) in my new house in June 2004. Just got a 3rd TiVo in November (one of the last available) -- meaning a new 2 year committment.

    However, I do want to move to HD. I was tempted with the "discount" $200-ish HD-TiVo, but it would only be used in my dedicated theater, where we don't want to watch daily shows (due to playing with the baby, cooking in the kitchen, etc, that we can do with the analog Family Room RPTV).

    However, the new Series 3 TiVo has me excited. My wife and I went from SA to DTV because of TiVo. We'd rather leave DTV than leave TiVo. Their new DTV "DVR" is not TiVo...

    So, when the price is reasonable enough, bye-bye DTV. Of course, I'll have to buy an HDTV for the family room then, so it is all about "overall cost".

    I tried DTiVo on my 133" dedicated theater, and it was just not, uh, good enough. I'm sure HDTV would make me quite happy :)
  18. Jan 11, 2006 #58 of 107

    shaown Member

    Jun 30, 2002
    I came to D* cause of Tivo, and reccomended it to MANY MANY people. I plan to leave when the Series 3 comes out. But not on day one. I'm sitting on the following today:
    2 DirectTivos (Along with 1 spare)
    1 HR10-250
    I series 1 SA - Lifetime.

    I figure when Series 3 has the bugs shaken (or D* move NY Locals to MPEG-4 forcing my hand) I will exit by buying 1 Series 3 with lifetime, 1 Series 2 (cheapie unit) with monthly, and using my Series 1 again.
    So my main TV will have 1 Series 3 + 1 Series 2 (3 tuners versus the 4 I have today), and my roomates' TV will be stuck with the single Series 1 controlling cable box (she is gonna be darn unhappy).
    D*, you're gonna regret leaving Tivo, u should have supported both platforms. Loosing early adopters / power users is a small amount revenue, but it costs u a lot of buzz and incremental revenue from people they reccomend to.
  19. Jan 11, 2006 #59 of 107

    kjmcdonald New Member

    Sep 8, 2003
    Boston, MA
    Note that if you don't subscribe to any 'scrambled' channels, I've heard that the CC tivo will be able to tun in the 'clear' digital channels *without* any cablecard at all. So the price may not matter.

  20. Jan 18, 2006 #60 of 107

    kshep New Member

    Feb 13, 2005
    I've had my hacked SAT-T60 for years now. I got it about the same time as my HD-ready Sony. A while back I picked up a cheap Samsung HD tuner and discovered I get pretty much no OTA HD reception, even though I'm about two miles from the antenna on Twin Peaks here in San Francisco. D* has just rolled out locals here (except WB and UPN), but apparently you need a 5 LNB dish.

    So, I can...

    A) Buy a new D* box, upgrade my antenna, lose the TiVo UI, and still not get all the channels I do in SD

    B) Buy a new box, keep the TiVo UI, and keep a "full" HD channel lineup. Oh... and dump DSL and double or triple my network download speed with a cable modem while i'm at it.

    Let's see...uh...B?

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