Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Sep 22, 2008 #1761 of 10473
    supie

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    Hi,

    When I got my 3rd S3 Tivo I used the original drive for the first two weeks, and then I installed aWD10EACS-32ZJBO 1TB Drive using MSFLive. Placing the original drive on the shelf.

    It has been a 1 ½ months trying to get the cable cards working to no avail. So Tivo determined that the Tivo Box was defective and that I should exchange it.

    So now I need to pull the upgraded 1TB drive and put the original back in and have the following questions:

    Reinstall Original Drive:
    1. Do I just remove the 1TB and reinstall the Original Drive with the two weeks of content on it?
    2. Is there anything special I need to do to reinstall the Original Drive?
    I did make a truncated backup of the Original Drive, so I have it if necessary.

    Move Upgraded MFSLive Drive from One Tivo to Another:
    1. If you move a MFSLive drive from one Tivo to another does it lose all its shows (an/or data)?
    2. Can I make a truncated backup of the 1TB and restore for the New Tivo?
    3. On the 1TB, should I remove all content from the drive before moving?
    4. Will I have the have the cable cards paired and authorized?
    5. Is there anything else I need to do?

    Cable Card Problems History:
    Prior to installing the new drive, I had the cable company come to install the cable cards, they did not work, after the first 2 sets of cable cards, I installed the 1TB Drive. The cable company has been here many times since, trying over 5 sets of cable cards, none would work. The problem is the Tivo only receives the BASIC CHANNELS and the BROADCAST HD CHANNELS. Channels 2-99 and 781-788 work.

    I am subscribed to (but not getting) all the Premium (HBO, Showtime, Starz, Encore, etc) Movie View, and HD View (all the rest of HD Channels). On the bad channels, I see the Channel info but not the show, the screen is black.

    I called Tivo for help and after many tests THEY DETERMINED THAT THE TIVO IS DEFECTIVE and the only way to fix it was to exchange it. But because it was over 30 days old this is done at an Exchange Cost of $89.00 plus Tax.

    Thanks in Advance.
     
  2. Sep 22, 2008 #1762 of 10473
    ThAbtO

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    Did you repeat guided setup after cable cards were installed and initalized? I heard you need to do that.
     
  3. Sep 22, 2008 #1763 of 10473
    supie

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    Yes after every new set of cable cards.

    Thanks
     
  4. Sep 22, 2008 #1764 of 10473
    bgermann

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    So I'm ready to add 1 tb WD drive to my S3HD. I would like to use the MX-1 enclosure, but all the online stores I look at list it as only operating w/ max capacity of 750TB. I've seen in various posts many folks using this case for 1tb drives, my question, is there more than one type/model of the Mx-1? Thanks for the help/info.
     
  5. Sep 22, 2008 #1765 of 10473
    eskay

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    On the Antec web site, it says, "Note: The MX-1 supports 1 TB hard drives. MX-1 was released before 1TB hard drives were available, so early reviews of the MX-1 mention it supporting up to 750GB drives simply because those were the largest hard drives available at the time."
     
  6. Sep 23, 2008 #1766 of 10473
    richsadams

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    I'm waiting for someone to pop one of the new 1.5TB drives in and see what happens! :)
     
  7. Sep 23, 2008 #1767 of 10473
    dwit

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    Already reported failure on at least 1 S3, in the upgrade forum. Not getting past the first welcome screen, iirc.

    My 1.5TB is scheduled to be delivered today. If I have the chance(Tivo always recording), I plan to test in my Tivo HD sometime today or tommorrow.

    The drive is really for my pc. Just curious also about the useability in Tivo.
     
  8. Sep 23, 2008 #1768 of 10473
    richsadams

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    Ah...missed that one. Thanks for using your TiVo as a guinea pig. Wonder if 1.5TB just won't work as an internal upgrade, as an expansion drive or no matter what or if it's drive specific? Will your experiment be as an internal upgrade or eSATA? Hope it works, but if not let us know the details, brand, model, etc., etc. so we can have your valuable datapoint going forward. :up:
     
  9. Sep 23, 2008 #1769 of 10473
    dwit

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    I think I remember reading somewhere(?) that it wouldn't work. Don't know if it was Spike or whomever. Think it was something about the mfs file system(?).

    Well, within an hour and a half of my post above, the drive arrived and I had it prepared(restored from truncated backup image 9.2a) and installed internally, as a single drive(no external expansion) inside my Tivo HD. Used winmfs, beta 8.

    Result was the same as reported in the thread I referenced above: Powers up, gets to the "...few minutes more" screen, reboot...

    No luck upgrading to Seagate 7200.11 1.5 TB on S3 .

    Also curious about external use only for the 1.5TB, but a litttle too much hassel for me to check, as the drive is really for my pc. Maybe out of boredom, I'll try it later.

    For now, just preparing to scan the drive for errors, as I ordered from Newegg and received their (still) typical bare drive, sloppy packing. Seemed adequate, but still...
     
  10. Sep 23, 2008 #1770 of 10473
    richsadams

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    Too bad...wonder why the mfs file system would care what size the drive is? IIRC S3's can't go over 2TB and THD's 2.2TB's or so, so upgrading to a 1.5TB internal seems like it should work. Adding a 1.5TB eSATA to our S3 which already has a 1TB internal probably wouldn't work. Hmmmm. No real need for that much space, but it would be nice to know if it's a drive or TiVo issue. In any case, thanks for trying!
     
  11. Sep 23, 2008 #1771 of 10473
    dwit

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    I might be wrong about it not working, or why it won't work, or who may have said it won't work.

    Hopefully we'll hear from a few more testers to confirm one way or the other.
     
  12. Sep 23, 2008 #1772 of 10473
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  14. Sep 24, 2008 #1774 of 10473
    dwit

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    I saw. Well, at least he got it to boot(at least once).
     
  15. Sep 25, 2008 #1775 of 10473
    DallasFlier

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    I confess I didn't read through the entire 60 pages of this thread, so it may have been mentioned before, but the above instructions, if followed exactly, are missing one step, between 9. and 10.

    I just upgraded my internal drive using a WD 1TB Green. When I put it back in and booted, it showed 131 HD hours, not 144 as it should. The problem is, in the above instructions, before step 10 you have to go in and select the destination drive first with WinMFS--> File--> Select Drive. Otherwise, you're supersizing the (currently selected) source drive, not the destination drive.

    I suspected, and fortunately my SATA and power cables were long enough to just unplug the TiVo cable and plug in the PC cables without removing the drive again. So I plugged it back into the PC, selected the correct drive, supersized and now it reports 144 hours, as it should.

    I checked, and the OP hasn't logged in for 3 months or so. If someone could edit the first post where the instructions are at, it would prevent others from running into the issue I did.
     
  16. Sep 25, 2008 #1776 of 10473
    richsadams

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    Nice catch. I don't recall doing that step after checking the "Supersize" option, but I must have. I think I was using the original winMFS instructions at the time. In any case, hopefully bkdtv is still reading these and can update it.

    Thanks for that and enjoy your new found space! :up:
     
  17. Sep 26, 2008 #1777 of 10473
    susani8

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    Okay, my Fantom GreenDrive 1TB eSATA External Hard Drive arrived yesterday. I connected it to my Series 3 last evening and it connected without a hitch. MUCH easier than the old "kickstart" days! It does indeed have a hard on/off switch and though it doesn't have a fan, it's very well ventilated and the case and stand are all aluminum. It now says I have 165 HD hours available! Yea! I turned the suggestions on and it's been recording almost non-stop since hookup and there is very little disk noise, and only a slight warming of the case. So far, I'm very happy with this purchase!
     
  18. Sep 26, 2008 #1778 of 10473
    richsadams

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    Excellent! :up: I'm really glad to hear that it's working out. If you ever get a chance to peek inside, I know a number of folks would be interested in knowing what brand (assuming WD) and model are inside of it.

    I have found a good deal more info about Fantom expansion drives and they seem to be a respected brand with good reviews. :up:

    Congrats and enjoy! :)

    Oh...keep an eye on your mailbox for your TiVo Pioneer T-shirt! ;)
     
  19. Sep 27, 2008 #1779 of 10473
    zordude

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    Thanks to everyone that has contributed to S3 upgrade discussions, I read everything last night :)

    I just finished my upgrade, I decided late last night to upgrade my S3, and since I had the bug it had to be done RIGHT NOW :D and I wasn't willing to buy one of the green drives in the FAQ and then have to wait 6+ days to receive it, so I had to use a drive I could buy at BestBuy.

    I went to the store and picked up the WD10000LSRTL since I had seen a post by TivoRocks193 that said he used it and it worked fine.

    So I buy the drive, I triple checked the model # on the bottom of the packaging.

    I come home, rip everything apart, don't pay much attention to the drive.. UNTIL I go to select it. The model # printed on the drive sticker is WD1001FALS - I freaked out!

    After some furious searching, I discover that WD1001FALS is the model of the drive and WD10000LSRTL is the designation of the retail kit.

    The full model # of the drive was WD1001FALS-00J7B.

    Everything works great, I did several soft reboots, did not move recordings.

    Z
     
  20. Sep 27, 2008 #1780 of 10473
    richsadams

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    Thanks for the report, the data point on the drive and congratulations! :up:

    BTW, I was born with "Gotta do it now" syndrome as well and it's our cross to bear. Stand tall my man, proud and tall. ;)
     

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