Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Sep 15, 2008 #1741 of 10482
    susani8

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    Does anyone have experience with the Fantom GreenDrive 1TB USB eSATA External Hard Drive- GD1000EU?

    Buy.com has it for $130 today. That seems a great buy to upgrade my series 3. I had the TiVo approved dvr expander and it lasted about a year before completely failing. The Caviar I bought 18 months ago is still going strong - so I'm not too impressed with the "DVR expander is built to be on 24/7, whereas other externals are not and will probably fail much more quickly" argument! :)

    I would like to know how noisy it is, does it connect with the series 3 without issue, etc. It comes in an aluminum heat-dispersing case without a fan (a concern) and it does not indicated what type of on/off switch it has. Anyone like to share their experience with this drive? Thanks!
     
  2. Sep 15, 2008 #1742 of 10482
    richsadams

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    AFIK you would join the TiVo Pioneer Club if you connect this drive to your Series 3. ;) You can get it for even less from NewEgg, $119.99 after rebate. I tend to trust newegg.com over buy.com based on a number of posts about bad experiences with buy.com. But others are happy with them and you don't have to wait for the rebate $$$ to show up. Your call. Also, it apparently does not come with an eSATA cable so you'd have to buy one. The recommended SIIG Serial ATA external cable is less than $10.

    As far as the drive, there are only a limited amount of hard drive manufacturers and AFAIK, only one making a "green" drive series, Western Digital. My money says it's a WD10EACS in a Fantom case. WD has just upgraded that drive from a four to a three platter and may be getting rid of the older models. Nothing wrong with them though, particularly for use as an eSATA drive for TiVo. The one we have has been flawless for about 9 months now.

    The fact that the case doesn't have a fan is of concern, but others here are satisfied with fanless enclosures. Enclosures without fans should have plenty of air circulation and not be placed on or near other heat-generating CE equipment. Also as you mentioned, it needs to have a "hard" on/off switch so it will power back on after a blackout (best to use a UPS, but you never know). I couldn't find any information about that. Here's the manufacturer's contact link: http://store.fantomdrives.com/aboutus.html Maybe you could give them a call if no one else here knows any more about this unit.

    Seems like a very good price though plus a two-year warranty Vs the expander's one-year warranty. It's just the "not knowing" anything about it (or the company) that would make me hesitate. $119 or $129 is a good price right now...approaching and passing some of the 750GB $$ per GB pricing. Worst case, you could always send it back and just be out the shipping and probably a restocking fee.

    Let us know what you decide...if you're up for joining the TiVo Pioneer Club or not (the T-shirt is worth it alone!) ;)
     
  3. Sep 18, 2008 #1743 of 10482
    cubbage

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    I have a Tivo Series3 HD which I bought my wife for xmas (sure way to get gear). Just added a esata enclosure (on sale at Fry's), 1 TB Seagate sata drive and esata cable in August. Immediately assembled the rig, plugged it into Tivo (was on) it informed me that a new drive had been added and did I want it added to the system, my answer was YES. It requested permission to reboot, gave it. The system rebooted and when it was finished (around 6 to 7 minutes) it had added the hard drive to its storage capacity. The enclosure was aluminum inside with a plastic wrapper on the outside. Dont remember the case manufacture but it had a real on/off switch. It seems to always be recording programs of which all I wanted was my season passes not the Tivo suggestions so I turned that off. The drive is not running as much now but I am very happy with the rig. Let some of the passes complete (read not delete) and I will have whole seasons. The drive cannot be heard unless you are standing next to it. I have the drive sitting outside of the cabinet so that is helping to keep the heat down. The whole cost was 199.99. But as happens with high tech Fry's had their external esata 1 TB on sale last weekend for $140.00. Fry's website is outpost.com. Never buy at Fry's unless it is on sale then it is always a great bargain.
     
  4. Sep 18, 2008 #1744 of 10482
    susani8

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    Okay, sign me up - I ordered it and will see how it does...!:)
     
  5. Sep 18, 2008 #1745 of 10482
    atlynch

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    I'll answer my own questions, in case it helps someone else.
    1) It does not work (at least how I tried to do it). I used MFSLive backup and gave the two original drives as source and piped to restore to the new drive. It ran fine (took about 3.5 hours). When I put the new drive into the TiVo, I got the error messages about the wrong external sata drive attached on boot, even without the expander attached. What did work (without saving recordings) was to reconfigure the TiVo as original (160 + expander), divorce the expander, wait a long time for it to reboot, then use winmfs to setup the 1TB drive with the expander from the now divorced original drive.
    2) the WD10000CSRTL (EACS) seems to work fine. I think it has been listed as the new 3 platter version on these forums. I set the AAM to 128, and even before I put the cover on it was silent. Amazing.
    3) I used a Siig Sata card, with two internal ports and a Vantec Sata card with an internal and an external port. They both had the siImage chipset and used the same driver. Worked like a charm.

    Anybody near Sunnyvale, CA who wants to use my PC to set up their TiVoHD, and make a donation towards recouping the costs of the two sata cards, pm me.

    -Drew
     
  6. Sep 18, 2008 #1746 of 10482
    azmp1

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    Folks, is HD recommendation table on first page still up to date? I will be upgrading my mew S3HD to 1tb drive and just want to see if there are more options then whats in the table (sorry, but just no time for reading through all 59 pages of this thread). So if anyone can chime in with other HDs that are acceptable for internal upgrade that is not in the table i will really appreciate it.

    One other thing, as for WD drives (had the best experiance with then over the years, all my S1/S2 Tivos had always had WD upgrades),but it seems that i can not find the EVCS drive anywhere, all i see is EACS drives that looks to be not acceptable... Is that still the case? Can anyone point me to where i can find one?

    The bottom line, i'm looking for a 1tb HD with good reputation under $130 for internal upgrade.
    All feedback is greatly appreciated.
    Thanks
     
  7. Sep 18, 2008 #1747 of 10482
    greg_burns

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    Got mine at buy.com
    http://www.buy.com/prod/western-dig...erial-ata-300-serial/q/loc/101/206827123.html

    Hearing a lot of chatter about this drive too...

    WD1001FALS

    http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=488

    But is seems to be more expensive than even the EVCS.

    So you have an S3, not a TivoHD? If you did have a TivoHD, just get the EACS.
     
  8. Sep 18, 2008 #1748 of 10482
    HDRyder9

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    Buy.com has the Western Digital WD10EVCS in stock for 147.99 with free shipping. I don't know if that's a good price but it is available.
     
  9. Sep 18, 2008 #1749 of 10482
    azmp1

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    Sorry, i should have clarified, i do have TivoHD, not the silver Series 3. But i though EACS drives were not acceptable... So this drive will be OK then?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Western-Digital...39:1|66:2|65:12|240:1308&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
     
  10. Sep 18, 2008 #1750 of 10482
    atlynch

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    azmp1

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    Excellent, thank you Greg EACS it is then. What do you guys think about this one?
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136293

    Anyone has tried with no issues?
     
  13. Sep 18, 2008 #1753 of 10482
    greg_burns

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    Never bought a recertified drive before. Not having that warm fuzzy feeling isn't worth the savings to me, but that's just me. :)

    Also looks like it only has 1 yr warranty rather than the 3yr that $140 one has.
     
  14. Sep 18, 2008 #1754 of 10482
    JonathanMeyers

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    I installed the WD10EACS 1TB Green 3 platter as an internal upgrade in my TiVOHD. Working great so far. Very quiet. Bought it from zipzoomfly.com for 136.80. Free shipping.
     
  15. Sep 19, 2008 #1755 of 10482
    richsadams

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    $30 for peace of mind? Priceless. Well...$30. Almost priceless. ;) Our WD10EACS has been going strong for about eight months now.
     
  16. Sep 19, 2008 #1756 of 10482
    jlib

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    The Black series are the new high-performance desktop drives (true 7200RPM) from WD and would be of no advantage in the TiVo especially with the added noise, heat and power consumption. It will not make your TiVo operate faster. Stay with the Green series EACS/EVCS.

    It looks like the current street price on the EACS is $129.99 with free shipping (assuming one buys from a non-taxable source). Sweet!
     
  17. Sep 19, 2008 #1757 of 10482
    azmp1

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    Thank you folks for all the responces, and i do agree on the recertified point, $20 just isn't worth it...

    Anyway, ordered an EACS from newegg today, upgrade fun upcoming!
     
  18. Sep 21, 2008 #1758 of 10482
    husky55

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    How time has changed. I thought $200 for my WD was a steal a few months back. But Olympic HD recordings were worth it for me. Still watching them, still happy.
     
  19. Sep 22, 2008 #1759 of 10482
    sariemerci

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    I called Micronet (the manufacturer) about this 1TB Fantom Green Drive (GD1000ED).

    They said that, while they buy from WD, Hitachi, and Seagate, "WD is the only manufacturer who currently makes a hard drive that is compatible with green technologies." In other words, while the guy couldn't directly tell me who makes the hard drives, he pretty much confirmed richsadams suspcion.

    They also said that the power switch is a hard one (i.e. will power up when power resumes after a blackout), and that the drives are designed to be used 24/7. He also said that the 60% power reduction helps keep things cooler than other drives that require fans. And it does come with an eSATA II cable -- not that they're expensive anyway.

    I ordered mine today. Wish me luck!
     
  20. Sep 22, 2008 #1760 of 10482
    richsadams

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    Nice...and best of luck! :up:
     

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