Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

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  1. Mar 4, 2021 #10461 of 10473
    johnbrown44

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    Thanks for the info. I will browse the Plex site. Haven't used it much. Will be interesting to see if any NAS units have to juice to encrypt on the fly. Although I won't be upgrading to a new NAS just to get smooth Plex streaming. At an estimated cost of $200-$400+ for a faster NAS, I can buy an awful lot of electricity for my 8 core PC, which streams/transcodes 1080 50mbps 60p video as smooth as butter.

    I did read that having video in the mkv format/wrapper will negate the need for Plex to transcode. Not sure if true, but a moot point, as I won't be converting my hundreds of video files to another format, even if it would be done in a few batches.

    PlayOn has a feature where you can share selected folders of videos, much the same as Plex, but pre-renders and stores them elsewhere, as mpeg2 I believe. Again, a lot of needless messing around as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps Plex has a feature where it pre-renders the video, in which case the NAS could handle that. Probably will just use Plex on the PC, it works well.
     
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  2. Mar 4, 2021 #10462 of 10473
    johnbrown44

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    Had no luck with using an image to another drive with my S3. Boot loop.

    It's "original" 1TB drive has 80 some thousand hours, so I assumed it was original. But the sticker on the back of the unit says TCD648250B, while my Tivo account page and the system information page have it as 648-0001-804B-****. Perhaps that's normal.

    When it quit booting, I suspected more bad ps caps, but I cloned this now not working 1TB drive that was in it when I got it, and was working until a week ago, and the cloned drive booted normally. Repeatedly. I figure some bad sectors, but smart said no.

    I reiterate that the clone that worked was from the drive that didn't.

    Ended up trying a KS 57, 58,59, 76543210 (didn't care about TV shows on drive, which I believe 59 wipes). This worked, but I suspect, at 80+k hours, time to retire the drive. Did another clone of the clone that worked, TV shows intact.

    Does one have to do a kickstart after placing a blank image on a drive? I've tried using 2 different images from a working 1TB drive, as well as the image from this site. All hang. Have tried putting them on various drives, to no avail.

    If my 2 clones and my recently resurrected original drive boot OK, I will assume some other issue than bad caps.
     
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  3. Mar 5, 2021 #10463 of 10473
    HerronScott

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    Ah only ever used the free version but other than losing that feature it works as it always has with TE3? I don't consider that that "crippling TiVo Desktop, then most other stuff also just stopped working" with TE3?

    Scott
     
  4. Mar 5, 2021 #10464 of 10473
    johnbrown44

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    Update on non-booting 648250B Series 3:

    After replacing 4 caps initially 2 mos ago fixed slow (10 min) boot, unit worked fine. Stopped booting last week, replaced 3 more caps that were within tolerances, but higher ESR than new caps. No change, but power supply voltages under load had been OK prior.

    What DID work was two methods: Clone non-working drive, which then booted normally,and run kickstarts KS 57, 58,59, and 76543210 on drive that quit booting. This seemed to rescue that drive.

    Still haven't given up on trying to get an image to boot, either an image I create, or the downloaded one from user ThAbtO in the image thread. Surely I can't be the only one that images don't work?
     
  5. Mar 5, 2021 #10465 of 10473
    dougdingle

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    When you pay for the 'pro' version of the app to get the 'push content from my computer to the TiVo' feature (basically the only thing gained by paying for the app) and then the publisher stops supporting the function such that it turns back into the free app again, I consider that to be a crippling of the app for which I paid. Other software written by independent developers that relied on that feature also lost that functionality.

    The feature wasn't a real 'push' - basically it worked by Desktop Pro talking to a TiVo server and having the TiVo server issue a 'pull' command to the TiVo for the content you wanted 'pushed' from the computer to the TiVo. It actually worked quite well, and then the aftermarket developers extended the feature by figuring out how to create folders on the TiVo for pushed content that didn't already have an assigned folder from TiVo. So if you had, say, nine videos from your kids' soccer games, you could push them to the TiVo and create a containing folder called "Kids' Soccer" instead of having nine separate files cluttering up the Now Playing display of content. It was a terrific feature which TiVo disabled by no longer allowing Desktop Pro users to log in to the push server. Since puling from the computer to the TiVo was (and is) still allowed, disabling that one Desktop Pro function made no sense to me or anyone.
     
  6. Mar 8, 2021 #10466 of 10473
    ThAbtO

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    Tivo Desktop already has the 'push', no matter if its the pro version or not. The pro version only adds more types of video, like .vob, .MKV, etc. otherwise its just .Tivo and .mpg.

    However, the 'push' function no longer works and you have to initiate the transfer from the Tivo itself.
     
  7. Mar 10, 2021 #10467 of 10473
    johnbrown44

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    Tivo crippled my 3 Series 3 DVRs. When I bought them used a few months ago, they would share and I believe able to download from the PC. Not sure if push or pull. Don't recall how exactly, but I have a few vids from my PC on the one S3 unit I kept. Gave 2 to bro, they crippled sharing on his as well.

    They sent me some update apparently that prevented them from accessing my network. I now have i,i,i in the system file. I neglected to see what it was when it was working. Probably a,a,a. I complained, but they said "not supported." I let it go for the time being, as they disabled the network sharing to my 2 Edges and a Roamio. Didn't want to overwhelm them.

    I nearly had to get belligerent to get them to escalate and get the newer units working. They kept wanting me to repeat network testing. Network was fine. They are now a,i,a,a. Everything works except the Edges won't play video downloaded from PC to Roamio. Play fine on Roamio. Is that not a feature?

    Other users of Series 3 DVRs, are yours a,a,a or something else? I am ready to start hounding them to reinstate my network sharing of the S3.
     
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  8. Mar 10, 2021 #10468 of 10473
    dougdingle

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    I haven't has a Series 3 for years now, so can't help you there. I have a Roamio Pro and four Minis. The Roamio has not had a successful data load from the mothership since the third week in January, but keeps populating the guide 12-13 days out anyway; it connects and downloads the data, but can't finish loading it. Last time this happened, it was almost two years before it successfully connected and loaded the guide data. Two of my four Minis failed right around the five year mark, much like many others who have posted the same issue.

    If I was a tinfoil hat kinda guy, I would suspect that TiVo is pushing users to dump old hardware and buy current stuff. I plan on limping along until the Roamio dies, and then it's strictly streaming devices for me.
     
  9. Mar 10, 2021 #10469 of 10473
    johnbrown44

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    I have no doubt they are crippling the hardware.(via software) Either deliberately, or due to ineptitude. I suspect the former. As I mentioned, my S3s were sharing fine, then they sent something that crippled them. Then said not supported. It's downright fraud if you ask me, might be hard to prove. I won't buy any new Tivo stuff after my equipment dies, nor will I suggest it to others. A bad way to run a business. What's wrong with those people?
     
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  10. Mar 20, 2021 #10470 of 10473
    johnbrown44

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    Well, color me shocked. Looks like I may owe Tivo an apology. Against my better judgement, as my Roamio and 2 Edge boxes are sharing OK now, instead of leaving well enough alone, I decided to try the advertising/whatever "Opt Out." Some have said this breaks sharing/whole house, some say no. I did it yesterday.

    Imagine my surprise when I looked at the Roamio OTA's System Info just now and saw a,a,a,a, instead of the a.i.a.a I have had for a month or so. And my Series 3 now can share/transfer with Roamio and Edge units. S3 was i,i,i for a couple months, no sharing with others. Now it is a,a,a.

    2 Edge units are still a,i,a,a, and can't see the S3, but stream fine to/from Roamio. Will reboot and try some forced connections to see if it will see the S3.

    S3 will transfer/share and play home videos that I transferred to the Roamio. Edge units see these videos on the Roamio, but will not play them.

    So it looks like there is hope for Tivo after all. They fix problems, they just need some prodding and time.

    Edit: Also, even though the Roamio can import camcorder home videos and TV programs recorded to PC via Hauppauge tuner, it can't play the TV program's AC3 audio. Plays video fine. Series 3 can play this AC3 audio on these same files it imports. Roamio has no trouble with HD/AVC camcorder videos with PCM audio.
     
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  11. Apr 6, 2021 #10471 of 10473
    EvaWill

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    There is so much useful information on this forum that I am very grateful to you, friends. Of course, I read the forum for more than one hour, but I found the answer to my question.
     
  12. Apr 6, 2021 #10472 of 10473
    mattack

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    Maybe summarize the exact problem you were having, and the solution, so the next person doesn't have to hunt for it?
     
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  13. Apr 7, 2021 #10473 of 10473
    johnbrown44

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    Not sure, I am new to Tivo. I'm on W7 and it sees my drive plugged in to an eSATA enclosure or directly to the motherboard via SATA cable.

    You also need to delete the NTFS partition on the drive, and maybe do something else to the drive, don't recall right now. Info is on this sight somewhere. My experience here is that there is quite a bit of info, and I had to experiment with various methods to have any success, and it was a nightmare.

    Are you saying this is an IDE drive? I understand Tivo can be picky about which drive it uses. And USB2 is going to be dog slow if you are cloning. If just installing an image not too bad. I have had NO success having any image work on my Series3. Rather than spend days trying to get it to work, I just clone the working drive. That has worked for me every time, on all my Tivos.

    If it's any consolation, I have had a lot of trouble getting things to work as they are supposed to with drives.
     
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