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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Mar 16, 2017 #10301 of 10334
    thomb

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    My preventative maintenance project is over and was a resounding success. My story...
    I've had 2 lifetime TivoHD (TCD652160) units since 2007, both fully ummmm "altered". In other words they've got a lot of value - sentimental and a fair amount of dollar value (especially for 10 year old units). They've never had a problem, and I intend to keep it that way. I last upgraded the drives ~6 years ago, so they were overdue for replacing. 2-3 weeks ago I accepted the upgrade to 11.0n.K1 and reapplied my alterations.

    I was browsing craigslist and bought 2 more TivoHD units (no subscriptions) for parts - $10 per unit, and the seller threw in a wireless Tivo adapter and a Series 2 Tivo. $20 well spent. I knew I could cannibalize the units and keep my workhorses alive. Tested both units Saturday and
    - Unit A works perfectly. No issues.
    - Unit B powers up to the first screen "powering up" or whatever it says. After the 1st logo screen the screen goes blank and it never gets to the "Just a few more minutes" screen. I guess the power supply needs new capacitors even though they weren't bulging / leaking.
    - Series 2 is still waiting for some attention. I don't know what I'm going to do with it yet.

    That got me motivated to learn how to solder :). Believe it or not my old tivos are still rocking their original power supplies with no bulging caps, so I never had to operate on them. Yesterday my order arrived with my replacement caps (for all 4 units), and soldering iron. I ham handed my way through replacing the caps on the "bad" power supply from Unit B and put it back in the tivo. Unfortunately the unit still doesn't get past the first screen and goes blank. I figure my carpet bombing soldering fried the power supply. So I swap power supplies with unit A & B and it turns out that the Tivo power supply is VERY forgiving to newbie solder-ers. The repaired PS works just fine in unit A. I also swapped drives and both of them are good. Now I figure Unit B has something wrong with the motherboard. Which is fine since the motherboard isn't a part that can be swapped into my working units anyway.

    Next step was to give both units a new set of lungs before the old 1.5TB drives die. Last night / this morning I successfully copied both drives with WinMFS and replaced them with new 2TB substitutes. The 1.5TB drives will be retired to the cellar in case of emergency. And I've got 1.75 backup units I can utilize for parts.
    Special thanks to ThAbtO, HerronScott, and Unitron (and everyone else here) for all of your help / excellent posts.
     
  2. Mar 18, 2017 #10302 of 10334
    HerronScott

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    Glad to hear you were successful! And how come we don't see such great deals on old TiVo's around here! :)

    Scott
     
  3. Mar 22, 2017 #10303 of 10334
    Spl7

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    Back again. Drive flaked after the apartment had a power failure, got totally stuck on "Almost there" msg. After futzing for a while, I thought I'd try winmfs to start over. I have a tcd651260 tbk image that I saved. its a 160gb image that I captured after I did an "erase all". So like usual, I do the restore, reboot, do guided setup. All goes well, but then says I need to do a System Update and reboot. 8-12 hours later, and it remains on the "Almost there" message.

    So far, I've tried that "virgin" tbk, as well as one other I have squirreled away.
    I've tried doing using only 160gb image, as well as restoring it, adding it up to 1TB, supersize, etc.
    The caps seem OK (and I replaced the bulging ones years ago).
    The disk battery has been replaced.
    Did a full hard drive scan and it comes up fine.

    Each time, it comes up and I set on that almost there message. Should I just wait longer? Try another tbk? Totally zero the drive out before starting the winmfs restore?
     
  4. Apr 20, 2017 #10304 of 10334
    Wil

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    A bit off topic in that this is a question about a hard drive for out-of-Tivo storage of files moved from Tivos via kmttg, but there is hard drive knowledge here.

    I've got some WD Red 6TB drives (Amazon White Label WL6000GSA6457 seems to be a scrubbed used WD Red). Looks like I need to use WD5741 rather than WDIDLE, but WD5741 is simply a switch on for 300 seconds as I understand it, no information gathering first about what the current setting is. I'd like not to use it at all if the setting is already 300 seconds. Will WDIDLE accurately report the setting on these drives, even though it is not recommended to actually change the setting?

    IOW can I run WDIDLE first to check what the setting is, and if I get a report of, say, 8 seconds, then use WD5741 to actually change it to 300 if needed? And if it's already 300 just leave it alone?
     
  5. Apr 20, 2017 #10305 of 10334
    ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    You do not need to do this on a WD Red. Anyways, WDIdle3 is used on a drive like a Green AV when its going to be used inside a Tivo.

    Out of Tivo storage is simply like a PC formatted drive use to store all those shows. (.Tivo files are just encrypted (with MAK) mpeg2 video file)
     
  6. Apr 20, 2017 #10306 of 10334
    Wil

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    "Need"? No. But the loading is too great for my comfort at an 8 second setting for the continual back and forth traffic I'll have. Some of the Reds have been set at 8 seconds, that's widely documented, and there's no telling how these particular WLs are set; I'd like to make sure they're at 300. WDIDLE does show them at 300, but since Western Digital says use WD5741 instead of WDIDLE I just want to make sure that WDIDLE reads the status correctly.

    Thanks anyway.

    EDITED TO ADD: BTW these drives look like a pretty good value; first two I tried have passed a WD full surface test with no errors. Firmware is 82.00A82, not prehistoric. Likely these will either be OK or bad out of the gate so if you're willing to run the long test and exercise them early, you can save around $80 each. 1 year warranty.
     
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  7. Apr 30, 2017 #10307 of 10334
    ccrider2

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    Not sure if this is where I need to post this, but here goes;
    I have a TiVo S3 TCD648250B that had the original drive replaced years ago out of caution, that replacement drive has now started having issues so I replaced it with a WD10EVVS - 63M5B0 Date 21 July 2009. The drive was purchased many 'moons' ago. I usually run drives through the M/F sw as soon as I get one, whether I put it in service on on a shelf, but I can't say that I've always done that. I started from an image from the original drive, it updated OK and everything is still running fine, but after turning off a noisy HEPA air filter, I noticed a strange 'percolating noise' such as a coffee pot sitting on the stove, just beginning to perk. This goes on continually with gaps of time and sometimes seems to quit. But it always re-starts at some point. .....A cascading bunch of 'head seeking' repeating over and over, before it pauses to resume a bit later.

    Just wondering if this is normal and should I just get used to it?
    Or would one of the Kickstarts be advised?
    Thanks Much,
    Chris
     
  8. Apr 30, 2017 #10308 of 10334
    HerronScott

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    So this was a new (old) drive that had never been used or it had been used (and if so for how long)? It doesn't sound normal to me if it's drive/head-seeking sounds and I'd pull it and run the WD tests against it.

    Scott
     
  9. May 1, 2017 #10309 of 10334
    ccrider2

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    K...I'll pull it for testing.
    Will WD Diagnostics trash the TiVo OS?
    Will I need to redo the image?
    Timing is important to curtail downtime to the weekend.

    Thanks so Much,
     
  10. May 9, 2017 #10310 of 10334
    darklyte

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    Any suggestions on the best circa 2017 model HD internal drives to use for S3 upgrades?

    Will any 1TB SATA HD designed for always on DVR/Security camera type function be decent like the Western Digital Purple "WD10PURX"?

    For an S3 TCD648250B that has a volume issue when I change channels. the volume is often out of sync or stutters when a channel is changed until I hit rewind and then it will correct itself. Thinking a fresh HD might help that.
     
  11. May 10, 2017 #10311 of 10334
    HerronScott

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    Most people are indicating to avoid the Purple and stick with the Red series now so WD10EFRX although I would go for 2TB (WD20EFRX).

    Scott
     
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  12. May 10, 2017 #10312 of 10334
    darklyte

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    Thanks Scott for confirming, much appreciated!

    What's your guess on the volume issue when changing channels? Volume freezes/stutters until I rewind a second and then it corrects.

    BTW, just did my 2nd PSU cap upgrade using one of your old posts/guides so thanks again for that too!
     
  13. May 10, 2017 #10313 of 10334
    HerronScott

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    Glad the capacitor list helped. I'm not sure on your issue since it's just affecting volume and not the picture? You could pull the drive and run the manufacturer's test on it to see if it finds any issues.

    Scott
     
  14. May 10, 2017 #10314 of 10334
    darklyte

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    Thanks I'll likely just replace the old drive and put in a new one to go w the freshly capped PSU and hope that fixes it and keep my S3 alive for awhile... since i never get those special upgrade emails to transfer lifetime :mad:
     
  15. May 10, 2017 #10315 of 10334
    ThAbtO

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    Think you just missed one of those emails. It offers to transfer lifetime from a S3 to new Bolt.
     
  16. May 14, 2017 #10316 of 10334
    ccrider2

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    Thanks Scott,
    Finally got the opportunity to pull the drive and test it; all looks good. Possibly it was just a noisy drive doing the TiVo's normal 'bit'???? While the testing was running, I reinstalled the original 250GB drive and let it update to the latest OS sw. It seems to be a bit noisy, but no 'percolator'. Pulled it, did a Winmfs copy to a different drive, a WD 2TB AV WD20EURS drive, installed and running great. I don't know what was up with that WD10EVVS, but the WD20EURS is smooooth.

    Just wondering if this was my mistake...
    I can't recall for sure, but I'm thinking years ago when I first upgraded to the now clearly failing 1TB drive, I was told to do the following:
    1-Winmfs 'copy' the original drive to the new drive
    2-install in Tivo & let it update the OS
    3-pull it and run the Winmfs 'add'
    4-reinstall back in TiVo

    If that's the correct method for upgrading from 250GB (original OS) to 1 TB????
    I probably goofed; thus the "coffee pot", (I skipped the OS update to let it support 1TB)
    Just guessing though...

    Anyway, everything is purring along fine now with 318 HD Hours.

    Thanks So Much For Your Time,
     
  17. Jun 6, 2017 #10317 of 10334
    Bryanmc

    Bryanmc I'm normal.

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    Are there any recommended drives that I can pick up locally, like at Fry's?
     
  18. Jun 9, 2017 #10318 of 10334
    TwoPointOh

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    Last week I finally got around to imaging a 2TB drive to replace my original dead 160GB in my TivoHD 652160, and got to the guided setup process. I tried to complete the steps while I was waiting on the cablecard to show up for self-install. It failed to find any zip code I entered, and would not completed the GS. A few days later when my cablecard arrived, I went thru the activation process with my provider, and tried to complete the GS steps again. Still wouldn't accept any zip codes I've tried. At this point I've tried with/without cablecard, antenna only, and both, without success.

    Is this because it is a pre-Rovi image? Is it because it has not successfully married the drive to the TSN? Is there anything that will trigger it to download a post-Rovi update? Will it update while stuck in GS?

    Thanks in advance for any pearls of wisdom shared.
     
  19. Jun 9, 2017 #10319 of 10334
    jmbach

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    How old is the image? Do you know what version OS you have.


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
     
  20. Jun 9, 2017 #10320 of 10334
    ThAbtO

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    it is 11.0m, so yes, pre-Rovi. It would need to get an update to 11.0n.H1/K1.

    Try a zip 00000 until it gets updated.
     

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