Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

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  1. Mar 3, 2008 #921 of 10473
    richsadams

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    The short answer is no, placing your expansion drive by any speaker isn't a good idea.

    A good eSATA cable will be shielded, but it's still best not only to keep cables away from EMI sources such as speakers (particularly sub-woofers) UPS, etc. but keeping hard drives as far away from them as possible is a good idea well. It might be a good investment to purchase a longer eSATA cable so that you can place it further away from anything that might cause data corruption.

    A 2m cable such as this recommended one will work. (Try to keep it under 3m for best performance though.) Others are listed on the first post of this thread (see #26).
     
  2. Mar 3, 2008 #922 of 10473
    jlib

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    Generally, most center speakers are thoroughly shielded (in case they are used with a CRT Display). That combined with the shielding on the cable itself should keep you safe. The worst thing to do is to run the cable parallel and in contact with an AC power cord.
     
  3. Mar 3, 2008 #923 of 10473
    jlib

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    Yeah, it is good to keep it away from any moving magnetic fields. Note that a 3m cable would be 50% out of spec, though, so it is probably best to stay at 2m or less.
     
  4. Mar 5, 2008 #924 of 10473
    brewman

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    Mfscopy is now running.
     
  5. Mar 5, 2008 #925 of 10473
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    There's also a question of what constitutes "next to". Remember that a dipolar field drops off roughly as the inverse cube of the distance from the midpoint between the dipoles. Moving the cable an inch or two can make a huge difference in the induced EM potential.
     
  6. Mar 5, 2008 #926 of 10473
    richsadams

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    Looking forward to the outcome. The issue with the other WD GP drives is the soft reboot hang. Once you've installed the drive and see that everything is working as it should, try to restart TiVo using the menu commands and let us know how it goes. The WD GP OEM drives go to the "Welcome. Powering up" screen and that's it. Hopefully yours will work perfectly! :up:
     
  7. Mar 6, 2008 #927 of 10473
    brewman

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    Completed upgrading of an S3's internal drive to a 1TB WD WD10EVCS (1TB AV GP SATA II). Upgraded with Mfscopy and Supersize. Copied existing shows/settings without problem.

    TiVo reporting 144 HD hours.

    Passed soft reboot test

    Everything appears to be working normally.
     
  8. Mar 6, 2008 #928 of 10473
    vulture99

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    That's great news. I'm a new TiVo HD owner (woot.com deal) and plan to add the same drive. How quiet or noisy does the drive seem to you? Did you adjust any acoustic management settings?
     
  9. Mar 6, 2008 #929 of 10473
    Speqtre

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    Just completed adding a Western Digital Caviar GP WD7500AACS mounted in a Kingwin Z1 eSata enclosure using WinMFS. Holy crap, it's so easy I thought I must've borked something up! Everything looking good so far - 119hrs HD reported.
     
  10. Mar 6, 2008 #930 of 10473
    dwit

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    Just to clarify: the Tivo HD didn't have the soft reboot or any issues with the WD drives.

    Only the S3 model unit had problems.
     
  11. Mar 6, 2008 #931 of 10473
    bkdtv

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    I added the WD10EVCS to the first post.

    By request, I also added a new "noise level" column to the list of drives in FAQ #27. Please review and let me know if any entries should be modified.
     
  12. Mar 6, 2008 #932 of 10473
    faerie

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    I wanted to do a quick check about internal upgrades to a TiVoHD. I previously upgraded my Series 2 Direct Tivos with little problem.

    In any case, in referencing the listing of hard drives in the initial post, they make reference to external drives and to Series 3, but I'm wondering if this list is also the best drives to use for a Tivo HD. I've been searching amazon and newegg for the Seagate drives mentioned, but I can't find the exact model number listed.
     
  13. Mar 6, 2008 #933 of 10473
    kokoko

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    I saw this on post #1

    19. Can I swap between multiple eSATA drives to multiply my capacity?

    No. When you connect an eSATA drive to the TiVo, that drive is "married" to the built-in hard drive. Only one eSATA drive can be "married" to the TiVo's built-in hard drive at any given time. You can remove an eSATA drive and replace it with another, but then you lose access to the recordings made on that drive.

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    Suppose I power down the S3, clone the external eSATA drive to a different external eSATA drive, swap the new external drive for the old, and power the S3 back up.

    Will I lose any recordings made since I originally set up the old external drive?

    The reason I want to do this is that my external drive case (NewerTech miniStack v3) has a fan bearing problem and I am being shipped a replacement. I'd like to clone all the data from the noisy drive to the replacement and not lose programs.

    I imagine there are others who would want to use this procedure to replace there original external drive with larger capacity drive.

    Anyone?

    Thanks,

    -Alan
     
  14. Mar 6, 2008 #934 of 10473
    brewman

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    As quiet or quieter than the stock drive out-of-the-box. This drive, WD10EVCS, is specifically designed for DVR type use so it's quiet and supposedly better suited for constant operation compared to a drive designed for use in PC's where it has down time.
     
  15. Mar 6, 2008 #935 of 10473
    bkdtv

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    I edited the post to make it clear that the list applies to both internal and external drive upgrades. All of the drives on that list will work well as internal upgrades for the TivoHD.

    Newegg primarily sells desktop drives; I don't think they sell any "DVR models." Buy.com has the 1TB Western Digital WD10EVCS for $245 with free shipping, or $233 after this coupon.

    TheNerds.net used to have the Seagate DB35 drives, but it appears they are sold out of the SATA model right now.
     
  16. Mar 6, 2008 #936 of 10473
    vulture99

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    Ah, ok, thanks. That's even better :)
    BTW, I ordered the WD10EVCS from buy.com today for about $233 shipped (found a 5% coupon online).

    (edit) Heh, bkdtv beat me to it :)
     
  17. Mar 6, 2008 #937 of 10473
    b_scott

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    anyone know the reasoning behind only letting you use the MyDVR on the TivoHD, while the Series3 has full reign? seems like it's a restriction put in there only to make you consider the Series3.
     
  18. Mar 6, 2008 #938 of 10473
    brewman

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    When they first enabled e-sata on the S3 they didn't have any restrictions on drive types and were probably inundated with support calls. They decided in the HD to limit external drives to ones they had confirmed work well, but decided not to screw over all the S3 users that had already hooked up drives.
     
  19. Mar 6, 2008 #939 of 10473
    Gregor

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    Not quite....

     
  20. Mar 6, 2008 #940 of 10473
    richsadams

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    Great to hear and thanks for reporting back.

    Did you happen to copy down the actual drive/model number? It would be great to know exactly which designation WD is using for this new drive.

    Cheers again for that! :up:
     

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